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In regards to burn-in, I get a little annoyed when people say things like "...Q701 out of the box sounded HORRIBLE...No Bass, harsh Highs.....COMPLETELY changed after x amount of hours...etc".
I asked Kevin from High Resolution Technologies about burn-in and here is his response. I tend to agree with his:
" I would not go so far as to describe what some people experience as either "B.S." nor "Placebo" but the bulk of the effect is not any change in the product in question, rather it is the user whom is changing. The tends to be more common on those that are focused upon tonality (one of the simpler auditory effects) and any change from their current reference can take a bit of time to become the new 'normal' for them. The duration is different from listener to listener but generally anywhere from several hours to several days transpire before they would declare a new product to have undergone the "burn-in" phenomena. This is not to say that products don't require proper warm-up, many do, but that time span is much shorter than what many report. "
- Kevin @ HRT
I thought my Q701s sounded fine out of the box (with laptop soundcard mind you). I haven't noticed much change with any of my headphones with regards to burn-in, and any that I have noticed I would be willing to chalk up to me just getting acclimated to the new tone. You will get a much more noticeable change from a change in gear (dac/amp/cable/etc) than burn-in changes IMO.
If you listen to a pair long enough, they become "neutral" for you - even though your "neutral" could be someone else's "cold" or "warm" depending on what their used to.
Hey guys, wondering if any big mj fans are here and can tell me how he sounds on quincy jones signature headphone.
I agree with your first paragraph,
I agree with your second paragraph,
Oh, what the hell!
I agree with your whole post!
I find when I get a new headphone I get drawn to recordings that have a synergy with that headphone.
After in excess of 100 hours on my Q's I have heard very little real change, I suspect the treble may be tamed a bit.
edit: this is my 400th post!
I don't think you get what I'M saying. Having a variation of the same model of a headphone with this big of a difference would be impossible. Unless you have heard both at the same time you should not comment on this. To me this is no worse than someone coming on here and spreading the idea that the HD-595 and the HD-598 are the same when in fact they couldn't sound any more different. I guess those are variations in manufacturing too?
One reason I made this thread is that the Q701 to me is just that much different than the K701 and the K702. When I would be posting comments in those threads, it felt like I was discussing a completely different headphone when talking about the Q701. When talking about the K701, the same comments never apply to the Q701.
IMO saying the differences between the K702 and the Q701 is just manufacturing variations is just crazy talk..so you're saying this would give me less treble, fuller mids and a smaller, more accurate soundstage? Sure....
I'm not going to comment on any of this further because it's getting old. You should really compare them yourself before assuming it's just some variation.
I'm not a Michael Jackson fan, but his music sounds fantastic through these phones, It all works really, really great.
=___= all hipsters on headfi I tell you!
You're selling your Q701s and your M-stage and going with the T1 + upgrading amps? Your wallet must be fat!
Care to do a quick comparison the Q701 vs T1?
The reviews I have read about the K701 in no way apply to my Q701s and that is a fact. That headphone graph is dead accurate at describing the differences I see from what people describe the k series to be.
Or I just spend too much money too quickly, haha. Q701 is on its' way back to Amazon. M-Stage will be on sale once I order a DAC.
I'm not much for comparisons, but the T1 is certainly better to my ears. Worthy of costing me 4x the money? Well, it's not 4x better, that's for sure. But it is a definite improvement for me.
Much clearer. Much much more impact. The bass is so much better. More extension. But unlike the DT990/600, the great bass is not at the expense of the mids because the mids are extremely full and just beautiful. The highs are better defined than on the Q701. Much more comfortable on my head. The soundstage is almost as wide, but not quite. The slight loss in wideness is not an issue because there is a lot of depth. I found the Q701 to have almost no depth despite its' extremely wide stage.
Instruments sound more real to my ears. When I listen to John Coltrane's Crescent on the Q701 it still sounds great. But when I compare it to the T1, the T1 sounds life like and the Q701 comes off sounding kind of fake. Or at least significantly less detailed to my ears.
As for negatives, the T1's 9KHz spike takes some getting used to. Until you adjust sibilance is much more noticeable on poor recordings. Now that I am used to it everything is just incredible. I can't even imagine things getting better, but I'm sure they will with the SPL Auditor and whichever DAC I end up getting. Still interested in the HD800 as well...
Thanks for the comparison ZenErik.
T1 and HD800 seem to be the usual upgrade path for AKG x70x owners. So freakin' expensive though...I think that I would like the HD800 more because it seems to be the soundstage king, but I see people bashing it for it's highs/sibilance. Q701s have no sibilance which is nice. Maybe the upcoming HD700s will retain some HD800 soundstage with smoother highs
Count me in as a new member of the Q701 owner's group.
Just got mine yesterday, in black, and boy it looks good. Well got it, rushed home and plugged it into my desktop, through the headphone jack of my Creative Gigaworks 5.1 (I think that's its name) and played in some iTunes, and left it hugging the sides of the Gigaworks subwoofer, I have a big head so need to reduce that clamping force.
I live in Lebanon and buy my stuff from Amazon US and then it is delivered to me by DHL express through their US address. So it's a long wait between buying and receiving. I bought my Q701 after extensive research and having read every review I could find of the X70x and other HP that I was considering (Audio Technica 900 and 700, Beyers 990 and 880, Senns 598 and 600 and 650.... and others) and I thought the Q701 was the best value of the bunch it was technically superior and it was cheaper than most of them. And I started reading the K701 appreciation thread here on head-fi (I did eventually read it all), when I got to page 44~45, with mostly favorable threads, I said that's it I ordered A black Q701 from Amazon market place for $251. After some more pages down the road well the tonality changed to mostly bashing the thing, it was turning to rather a depreciation thread, OOOHHH What I was experiencing buyer's remorse before even seeing getting my HP. It was agonizing.
When I got it, to say the least my expectations were low, VERY LOW, and boy what a surprise, a freakin' pleasant surprise, no make that very pleasant. I just peaked at them from time to time and God I'm liking what I'm hearing, a lot. Even from my iPhone 4 with a tiny fiio E6 they sounded nice at low volume, at higher volumes the little fiio distorted like crazy.
In the evening, and before New Year's Eve, with a glass of red wine in my hand, I played "Chris Botti Live in Boston" bluray (in PCM Stereo) on OPPO BDP 83, connecting with my Denon AVR2310 through HDMI, and plugged my Q701 in the headphone Jack of my Denon, I sat back and enjoyed 2 hours of pure music heaven.
I am no way a basshead, but I was expecting little bass, OH NO NO the bass is great it is deep impactful and articulate.
The midrange is sweet just darned sweeeeet.
The highs, I was afraid of the harshness I have always heard about, will it was mostly very very good, a tad on the bright side but I like my music a little bright. There was one odd thing I heard in Yo Yo Ma's piece where the cello and violins hit the higher notes there was something not right I didn't try to elaborate I just let it pass, I was enjoying the music too much, to care about a little blemish, anyway it could be cused by maybe some jitter and not the fault of the HP.
Well one more horror story is the headband and comfort issue, well these are great to wear for a long time, and I have a big head.
To me: THE MYTH IS BUSTED
The AKG X70x are great HP (and not just for the price), at least my Q701 is.
Happy New year everybody.
Like tdockweiler said mids are really special on K/Q/70X , a bit forward with a touch of warm , they do really well femal vocals , for distorded guitar i can't agree , personal tastes ^^ , i like the way wich K702 sound airie guitare is great with black metal etc .
I never payed attention to burning my K702 out of the box sounded fine and soo on peraphs there is slight change but well audio memory is not enough reliable for me ... only direct comparison is ok should have K702 ot of the box and other wich have 300h of use for real comparison ^^ .
K/Q/70X are great HP but technically they are not better than DT-880-600 ohms , peraphs you like more your Q701 than DT-880 ^^ , at least my K702 is not better than my DT-880 .
on my setup :
Highs : they are more proeminent on my DT-880 wich bring an impression of more clarity , the pic on 9000hz-10 0000 hz typical from beyer . None of them is fatiguing to my ears, even after listening some full operas , honnestly i prefer DT-880 treble but K702 are really good ones too .
Mediums : well both are great very detailled and clear , but the more forward one on K702 make me prefer them here . i Would like a DT-880 with a bit more body there , but they still great .
Bass : both have very dry ones , very detailled and clear , impact is about the same peraphs a tad more on DT-880 , but DT-880 have more bass because some instrument are more bodied and sound fuller , but for me they are both fine no clear winner here .
Soundstage : K702 is indeed wider but not so much instrument separation is greath on both , a bit more marked on K702 , in depth it'si think that DT-880 have a bit more depth , K702 is very left/right oriented , Dt-880 is a bit more rounded . I like both soudstage so for me me like bass there is no winner .
I really like both and it's really hard to choose beetween them , but my K702 fit my ears better than DT-880 confort speacking , and they are a bit similar sounding on my setup ... i will peraphs sell my DT-880.
And thinking about something new like T1 or W1000X for something different .
Serious question. I just bought the srh 940 and while it's perfect and all, it's still a bit uncomfortable to me. I would like to know what difference I would gain to get a Q701 instead? I currently have a udac2 amp. Would that be enough to drive it?
Companies pay large sums of money to avoid this.