man, i consider punk much more of an attitude than a genre. i also don't think you can be "kinda punk", you either are or you aren't.
the hives aren't bad, but the lead singer acts way too much like mick jagger and they seem to want to be the who meets the kinks, i think in the music labeling buisness they're getting filed under garage.
punk to me definitely includes the clash, early - mid the who, the stooges, the new york dolls, the headcoats, the buzzcocks, the oblivians, the ramones, the velvet underground, syd barrett, hell a lot of stuff. the music period i find most interesting were the 60s and 70s when punk wasn't quite punk yet, but it wasn't rock and roll either... i also follow the ramones philosophy that if the song is over 4 minutes, its probably too damned long.
i have to admit i file blink182 and green day under the mall punk category: to me its like people who think the offspring are punk. its too easy, it doesn't push enough boundaries, and its too damned pop, which is the antithesis of what i think punk is supposed to be about.
kerelybronto,
dark angel's list is a great starting point. i suggest diving into some of iggy and the stooges stuff (especially the self titled album and his, not bowie's, version of raw power) and the middle two velvet underground albums (white light/white heat and velvet underground). after that you can go in a hell of a lot of directions, and you'll know if you want to go brit or new york
for recent material get anything involving an oblivian, the oblivian's pill poppers and the compulsive gamblers' crystal gazing luck amazing aren't bad intro albums.
i stongly suspect that you'd turn into a big richard hell and the voltoids fan from what i've seen of your posts. worth a shot as well...
hell of a topic btw,
carlo.