Aug 1, 2008 at 2:37 PM Post #31 of 121
Yes, we do all hear things differently
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And of course, we use different headphones as well.

One thing is for sure - no 5998 should hum. If yours is, you do indeed have a bad one. I have never had hum from ANY 6AS7G/6080/5998 (but I do have a tube tester and so I have had to throw out some I have bought before ever using them...)
 
Aug 1, 2008 at 9:59 PM Post #34 of 121
I believe "Winged C" indicates Svetlana. Are there not also other 6H13C's made by other Russian companies? I would assume so.
 
Aug 2, 2008 at 5:07 AM Post #35 of 121
FWIW My taste in music and tubes is perfectly aligned with Skylab. I have found his advise to be spot on. My current love is the 337 w/ Tung Sol 5998 & Tung Sol S6N7WGT with the JVC-HP DX1000 cans. I cannot imagine anything sounding better!
 
Aug 2, 2008 at 11:53 AM Post #36 of 121
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Originally Posted by Skylab /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Yes, we do all hear things differently
smily_headphones1.gif
And of course, we use different headphones as well.

One thing is for sure - no 5998 should hum. If yours is, you do indeed have a bad one. I have never had hum from ANY 6AS7G/6080/5998 (but I do have a tube tester and so I have had to throw out some I have bought before ever using them...)



Sky,
You were correct. It was the Kuhltube 6SJ7GT that was humming; and it hums worse in line with the 5998. I put in the Sylvania 7C7s and there was zero hum.

A large part of my relative dislike for the 5998 is not due so much to the tube itself, though. It's the Darkvoice, and its basic sound signature that I really don't care as much for.

Like I said, the sale of the DV337 will help fund the upgrades to the Bada PH-12. : )
PAB
 
Aug 15, 2008 at 10:35 PM Post #38 of 121
Just acquired a new 337 and am wondering if anyone has tried the 6336a which is supposedly a direct replacement for the 6080. My tube guy says it's exactly the same but draws 4 amps on the filament. He says if the 337 can handle it it might be the best tube he sells for that application. Any thoughts from the resident tube experts?
 
Aug 16, 2008 at 12:26 AM Post #39 of 121
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hi guys anyone try the Italy made Fivre 6SJ7?
thinking of trying the Telefunken 6AS7W 6080. anyone try them?



I tried to win a pair once and failed. They look really nice.

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Originally Posted by Bigjppop /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Just acquired a new 337 and am wondering if anyone has tried the 6336a which is supposedly a direct replacement for the 6080. My tube guy says it's exactly the same but draws 4 amps on the filament. He says if the 337 can handle it it might be the best tube he sells for that application. Any thoughts from the resident tube experts?


The 6336 is a beast. I'm not sure if the 337 can handle it. I think Mazuki may have tried it once and said that it worked but that it's a bad idea to leave the amp on for a long time with 6336's in it, but I wouldn't swear I am getting that right. I would be careful.
 
Aug 16, 2008 at 12:45 AM Post #40 of 121
Just did some searching on Maxuki's posts and you're right, it looks like he's tried 6336A and felt the 337 could handle it.

I'll PM Mazuki to see if he's had any adverse results over the long term.
 
Aug 16, 2008 at 5:56 AM Post #41 of 121
Hi Skylab,i had just got a pair of Tung sol 5998,they are labelled differently one is Jan 5998 the other is Jan CTL 5998.are they different tubes? the CTL burn so much brighter then the Jan 5998.
 
Aug 16, 2008 at 12:45 PM Post #42 of 121
In terms of construction the tubes will be the same. Only Tung-Sol made 5998's. "CTL" is just the military designation for Tung-Sol as a manufacturer (Sylvania = CHS, RCA = CRC, CBS/Hytron = CHY, etc.).

As for why one burns brighter, it could just be that the filament is a little more visible? I guess one could be a lot more "used" than the other too. Do they sound balanced?
 
Aug 16, 2008 at 1:41 PM Post #43 of 121
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Originally Posted by Skylab /img/forum/go_quote.gif
In terms of construction the tubes will be the same. Only Tung-Sol made 5998's. "CTL" is just the military designation for Tung-Sol as a manufacturer (Sylvania = CHS, RCA = CRC, CBS/Hytron = CHY, etc.).

As for why one burns brighter, it could just be that the filament is a little more visible? I guess one could be a lot more "used" than the other too. Do they sound balanced?



Yes they do sound balanced.
 
Aug 16, 2008 at 2:00 PM Post #44 of 121
In that case I wouldn't worry about it, unless one starts to glow blue :
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Sep 18, 2008 at 7:12 AM Post #45 of 121
I've started on the tube rolling adventure with my 337 and so far have been pleased. I listened to it stock for a week or so and enjoyed getting to know the sound signature of this amp.

The first tubes I rolled in were a pair of NOS Tung Sol 5998's and I've been listening to them for about a week. I didn't detect a HUGE difference in between the 5998's and the stock power tubes, but te 5998's did have a slightly blacker background and I believe added a little more space around vocals and instruments. I got them for about 60 bucks shipped from Antique Electronic Supply (per Skylab's rec) and believe them to be worth that. I would have been disappointed had I paid the 120+ that many dealers are charging for these tubes because I don't think they make $120 worth of improvement. I still have some RCA 6AS7Gs that I bought from Skylab that I haven't tried yet, but will soon.

The next tubes in (still with the 5998's in the power slot) were some 6SJ7GT Tung Sol mesh plates (again per Skylab's rec) are a little problematic. They've only been in for 30 minutes, but there is a definite hum that was not there when running the stock Chinese driver tubes. I'm hoping this will disappear with some use. The hum does not change when I switch tubes, unplug cans, unplug source, turn up/down voume, etc. It is a constant hum in the background that is present with nothing connected and the volume turned all the way down. Its still too early to make any comments on the sound of this tube, especially with the hum.

The next set I tried were some of the red RCA 5693's and straight out of the box they were dead silent and really sounded great. The add a very pleasent richness/harmonic to the midbass/midrange spectrum. I especially notice this on accoustic tracks (James Taylor's One Man Band CD in particular) and on orchastral tracks. The tubes really add some nice body and rich flavor to James' Baritone voice and Yo Yo Ma's Cello. These tubes only have about 30 minutes on them as well so we'll see what happens to them with a few hours of use. Overall, I think these red RCA's are a great tube for this amp. They can be had for SUPER cheap and everyone seems to sell them. They seem to go in lots of 5-10 on ebay all the time.

My experience with tube rolling in the 337 helps to solidify my feelings on tube rolling. Nice tubes can help refine the sound you already have, but if you don't like the stock sound, I don't think any amount of tube rolling will change that. I also think I'm going to have to cap my my upper limit on tube spending. The 337 tubes are not a lot of money (which I love) but I really don't think I could bring myself to spend $300, $400, even $500 on sometimes a single tube.

Regardless, may the tube rolling adventure continue!
 

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