CrystalT
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I havent heard the 439. How does it compare to the 428? Im a fan of the 428's sound.
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Hilarious? Why? Because some of the Superlux models reproduce a flatter and cleaner measurement response than these for the under $50. Otherwise please enlighten me. The whole point of hi-fidelity and what most audio companies out there chase after is producing a flat response as close as neutral and transparent to the original source as intended.
No one said they didn't like these headphones because it is compared unfairly to endgame headphones because some of us here who have actually heard/owned these the latter mentioned headphones years before this thread was made but because it's people like the OP that create or make mis-leading assertions hyping a product that doesn't yield that performance claimed to be and then everyone jumping on the bandwagon, give or take sometime, they move on from the "new toy syndrome" until another product is hyped.
Yeah you do get some brands/products that do up being worthy of the hype and end up staying here (Hifiman, Fischer Audio for example and Soundmagic for IEM's etc)....
Threads like this just cracks me up, like the little amount of experience some of you guys have with specific categorised headphones.
I was confused about that, too. I think there is an actual Superlux HD6000, but it's not available outside China yet. I Googled and came across a Head-Fi thread where something like that was mentioned. But bhazard will no doubt clue us in.
Speak for yourself, don't assume you know everything, especially what experience someone else might have that would lead them to a different conclusion than your own. By the way, did you know that a speaker, or a headphone, can sound like crap and measure flat? Can you prove your assertion that most companies actually aim for ruler-flat response? I'd say most companies sculpt the FR curve from model-to-model, in order to satisfy some target market, from typically bass-shy AKG all the way to the best-selling and bass-heavy Beats. Of course there are cans that tout neutrality and flat response but on the whole I think that is not the primary consideration.
The majority of professional equipment always aims for flat response, as well as the best sounding speakers. I only have working knowledge of it based on speakers, but I'm sure it can be applied to headphone drivers as well.
A close to flat ruler response (100% flat response at all times can never be achieved), from a properly powered, low distortion woofer, along with a crossover tailored specifically to the woofer and tweeter to match phase, group delay, and time delay to the listening area from both components, along with the properly designed enclosure, will ALWAYS sound better than a curved response pre-eq.
In applying the above, with $480 of speaker parts (Pro audio woofer btw) per speaker, I created 2 channel towers that make Klipsch's P-39F $10,000 speaker sound like garbage next to it. My 1 12" woofer and compression driver/elliptical constant directivity waveguide per speaker can handle more power than the 3 used in it, has a wider sweet spot, better imaging, and they can dig lower in response. How is this possible? The titanium drivers and crossover implementation used in Klipsch speakers intentionally color the sound to be unnaturally bright. While some may think they prefer this sound, when driven at reference levels and above, it is ear piercing and fatiguing, where a flat response will sound effortless and pleasing. Material can be driven louder, with more clarity, and you won't be running to reach the remote knob. The brightness of the Klipsch speaker can be removed a bit by EQ, but it will not sound as good as if this were corrected prior through the crossover and different driver components. The rest of the $$ is all for the look.
Beats sell because people buy into looks, acceptance, and hype, not because they know what their music is supposed to sound like. The majority of the commercial Home theater and audio market mostly gets away with the "if it costs that much, it must be good" thinking most people have.
Based on your recent experience at Popalock's house, did the helicopter scene really pull you in and sound like you were there? Under 80hz nearly flat to 5hz and possibly lower had a lot to do with it. It just takes ungodly amounts of power and speakers to do so down there.
Balanced, quite neutral, good detail and clarity, comfortable like it's HD4*8 siblings with a hint of warmth not a giant killer in sound but pretty damn good imho for the usual going price of $60-80 sometimes cheaper due to rebates or Black Friday alike sales you guys have in the States. Pretty responsive to mods as well if you're willing to squeeze bit more.....but that is for another thread.
Saying superlux outperform these is outright hilarious. They arent even close.
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Speak for yourself, don't assume you know everything, especially what experience someone else might have that would lead them to a different conclusion than your own. By the way, did you know that a speaker, or a headphone, can sound like crap and measure flat? Can you prove your assertion that most companies actually aim for ruler-flat response? I'd say most companies sculpt the FR curve from model-to-model, in order to satisfy some target market, from typically bass-shy AKG all the way to the best-selling and bass-heavy Beats. Of course there are cans that tout neutrality and flat response but on the whole I think that is not the primary consideration.
Until I see objective measurements or I actually hear for myself I'm going to say that's just an opinion as well.
When you're getting into the thousands or even hundreds on certain near-field monitors and such, a lot of companies out there aim for neutral/natural/transparent sound reproduction, ruling out all the other garbage and bs floating on the market. This doesn't mean that what one company is modelling with there speakers on a flat FR based measurement will sound good but subjective impressions over-rule this at the end of day as it varies with the listener. I was born into the speaker world, got deeper into the hobby by diy my own speakers or modding vintage boxes, as well listening to some of the big band high 4-5 digit priced speakers my distributor has to offer, not one of the said brands/manufacturers market/develop/market there speakers in some way of not aiming for a natural/neutral sound reproduction, heck there are even FR graphs on there brochures and flyers to demonstrate what the companies are after.
In general talking sense, speakers are different to headphones in a lot of ways, headphones you can just chuck on and wear it and enjoy the sound, with speakers acoustic treatment to the room and position setup makes a night and day difference. You can have bad placement for million dollar speakers and have it sound bad.
I wouldn't say all AKG are bass shy, there monitoring range the K14x/24x/27x range have a fairly neutral response, of course every manufacturer has cheap headphones that don't sound neutral at all but this is mostly the case cheap headphones/iem's, companies can only do so much with products delivered to a specific audience group with cheap prices. Aside from a small amount of niche products for niche groups, you'd see most headphones from above $300 try and aim or market there headphones for neutrality in some sort of way.
Beat's and Monster don't belong in that sentence because the company itself cares nothing about sound reproduction, all they are after is bling, money and marketing.
and yet i prefer the sound of shure srh840 which are reference monitors.