Phonak Audéo PFE 232 vs. Sennheiser ie 80

Apr 16, 2012 at 11:40 AM Thread Starter Post #1 of 13

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I've been doing a lot of research and asking for different suggestions based on my tastes. I've finally narrowed my options down to these two iems.
 
I would love to hear some direct comparisons and impressions to help me make a decision.
 
A little background on me. I'm currently looking for high quality audio that will be relatively balanced across all frequencies to bring out the best of the many different genres I listen to. 
 
Here's what I'm looking for:
 
Accessories: I pretty much know what to expect from both of these iems as far as accessories, I feel that the 232 wins out here, but let me know your impressions anyway.
 
Build Quality: I want these to last. I take excellent care of my iems, but they will be heavily used. I don't want something that will fall apart on me. Sennheiser has a pretty good reputation for build, I definitely want to hear impressions about on the 232s though.
 
Comfort: I often wear headphones for hours at a time, in and out of the house. I want to be able to put iems in and forget that they are there. Also don't want to frequently adjust to keep a good seal. Comfort isn't the most important issue, but it is certainly a factor.
 
Microphonics: This has never really been an issue for me, I'm pretty creative when it comes to eliminating microphonics. My last pair of iems were the Klipsch Custom 3s which are terrible in this category, but I managed to reduce them to a tolerable level.
 
Sound Isolation: This is a bit more important than comfort as I love to go for walks and also spend a lot of time outside in downtown Phoenix. When I'm listening to my music, that's what I want to hear. I really don't want to be distracted by external sounds.
 
Highs: I do enjoy a fair bit of classical music, I don't want this to become fatiguing after long periods of listening. I think I'd like a little bit of sparkle, but more importantly, little to no sibilance. I have a pretty high tolerance for high frequencies, but I don't want screeching in my ears.
 
Mids: I've been singing for most of my life, so vocals are very important to me. I listen to a lot of do wop and motown as well as some opera and various a capella pieces. I want the vocals to be clear, natural and never boring.
 
Lows: Bass brings many genres to life for me, especially hip hop and electronic. When it comes to these the bass needs to be accurate but powerful. I want it to hit fast and hard with emphasis on sub bass. I expect that I will need to eq up the bass when listening to this type of music and that isn't a problem, so long as the iems are able to produce the sound without distortion. The sound doesn't have to make my head explode, I just want to feel the punch.
 
Movies/Games: I'll be wearing this while watching movies and gaming. Would love to hear impressions on how both of these iems perform in mediums other than music.
 
Price: As of the deals available to me right now, I can get the 232s for $480 and the ie 80s for $390. That being said, I would like to hear what people think about the options as far as bang/buck goes.
 
 
I think I've touched on all of the issues here. You responses don't need to be this in depth, I just didn't want to leave anything important out.
 
Looking forward to any/all feedback and hopefully some direct comparisons.
 
 
Sep 9, 2012 at 2:14 PM Post #3 of 13
Here's my opinion of the two. Sennheiers IE80= A good IEM. Audeo PFE232= One of the best universals out there.
They are both very different. One uses a dual BA configuration. The other uses a single Dynamic Driver with tunable bass. They are both made with excellent quality, but I think the Swiss Audeos are a bit better built than the mass produced IE80, but that's just my opinion without many supporting evidences.
I never really fell in love with the IE80's because I expected an improved product from their previous IE8, but turns out they are more identical in sound than different. I have very limited experience with the IE80 because I auditioned both the PFE232 and IE80 side to side close to 6 months ago. I ended up choosing the PFE232 over the IE80 and AKG K3003i. I can give you info about the PFE232's sound, but not compared to the IE80.
 
Sep 9, 2012 at 2:33 PM Post #4 of 13
The IE80 leans more on the "fun" side with a soundstage gigantic in sheer size, rich bass, laid back mids, and a smooth but extended treble. On the other hand, the PFE 232 gains the upper hand technically with better positioning, layering and rendering, accurate bass, airy vocals and sparkly but non-fatiguing treble while boasting a lot more detail. I do own both and while I do hold the PFE 232 superior, I'm sure there would be a fair deal of tracks I'd be enjoying a lot more on the IE80, which is the reason why I can't part with it.
 
A bit of a tough choice here. Based on your music preferences, the PFE 232 should guarantee itself a no brainer choice; still I find the IE80 to fare better in gaming and movies due to larger soundstage.Your preference really.
 
Hope this helps.
 
Sep 9, 2012 at 2:38 PM Post #5 of 13
Almost forgot, I think the PFE1x1 and PFE232 are the most comfortable Universal IEMs I have placed in my ears to date. Can't think of a better fitting IEM. The only thing that bothers me about the 232 is the cable length... It's on the short side compared to my other IEMs. The post above described both excellently. Wholeheartedly agree about the PFE232, can't really remember details about the IE80
 
Sep 9, 2012 at 2:49 PM Post #6 of 13
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Almost forgot, I think the PFE1x1 and PFE232 are the most comfortable Universal IEMs I have placed in my ears to date. Can't think of a better fitting IEM. The only thing that bothers me about the 232 is the cable length... It's on the short side compared to my other IEMs. The post above described both excellently. Wholeheartedly agree about the PFE232, can't really remember details about the IE80

 
I feel the Heir Audio IEMs are a little more comfortable than the PFE.  
 
Sep 9, 2012 at 4:56 PM Post #7 of 13
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I feel the Heir Audio IEMs are a little more comfortable than the PFE.  

 
To some it may, but it just looks rather large. My ears don't do well with large IEMs, like the Red Giant where I couldn't even fit it in my ears... I'm sure the Heir IEMs are comfortable as well, but the ergonomics are hard to beat on the Audeo products. Weight is very balanced
 
Sep 9, 2012 at 5:16 PM Post #8 of 13
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To some it may, but it just looks rather large. My ears don't do well with large IEMs, like the Red Giant where I couldn't even fit it in my ears... I'm sure the Heir IEMs are comfortable as well, but the ergonomics are hard to beat on the Audeo products. Weight is very balanced

 
These IEMs are actually very small.  If you include the stem of the Phonak, they are the same height and about the same width.  They are very small (not like something like the Aurisonics ASG).  Picture comparison below:
 
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Sep 9, 2012 at 5:17 PM Post #9 of 13
Surprise surprise, thanks! It's difficult to get some different shots like this and there we have it! I keep thinking of my CIEM as a size reference and the Heir's definitely look a bit smaller than expected.
 
Sep 9, 2012 at 6:21 PM Post #10 of 13
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Surprise surprise, thanks! It's difficult to get some different shots like this and there we have it! I keep thinking of my CIEM as a size reference and the Heir's definitely look a bit smaller than expected.

 
Yes, Heir Audio chopped a lot out so it'd fit more people.  So the IEM itself is a lot smaller :)  I have small ears too (so you're not the only one with the plague XD).  I'm small in general (5' tall, won't be growing much being just about fully grown XD; hence my...  Er, yeah ;)).
 
Most pictures taken are normally used to make the object look beautiful, or show off its inner beauty :)  That's why you can't get a nice shot with something of relative size.  
 
Sep 9, 2012 at 10:46 PM Post #11 of 13
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Originally Posted by planx /img/forum/go_quote.gif


Here's my opinion of the two. Sennheiers IE80= A good IEM. Audeo PFE232= One of the best universals out there.
They are both very different. One uses a dual BA configuration. The other uses a single Dynamic Driver with tunable bass. They are both made with excellent quality, but I think the Swiss Audeos are a bit better built than the mass produced IE80, but that's just my opinion without many supporting evidences.
I never really fell in love with the IE80's because I expected an improved product from their previous IE8, but turns out they are more identical in sound than different. I have very limited experience with the IE80 because I auditioned both the PFE232 and IE80 side to side close to 6 months ago. I ended up choosing the PFE232 over the IE80 and AKG K3003i. I can give you info about the PFE232's sound, but not compared to the IE80.

I thought the IE8 was a good pair of headphones. I did find more people who preferred the PFE232 over the IE80, but I found the IE80 to be backed up quite a bit. The major difference I'm concerned about is whether the extra $200 worth it for a minor performance difference. I understand, via Nightcrawler, that the difference may well be worth it because the difference is applied to every song, every track I play.
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The IE80 leans more on the "fun" side with a soundstage gigantic in sheer size, rich bass, laid back mids, and a smooth but extended treble. On the other hand, the PFE 232 gains the upper hand technically with better positioning, layering and rendering, accurate bass, airy vocals and sparkly but non-fatiguing treble while boasting a lot more detail. I do own both and while I do hold the PFE 232 superior, I'm sure there would be a fair deal of tracks I'd be enjoying a lot more on the IE80, which is the reason why I can't part with it.
 
A bit of a tough choice here. Based on your music preferences, the PFE 232 should guarantee itself a no brainer choice; still I find the IE80 to fare better in gaming and movies due to larger soundstage.Your preference really.
 
Hope this helps.

Yes, this definitely helps. I just want to know, based on your opinion, whether the extra $200 is worth it.
 
I forgot to mention this, but Noise Isolation doesn't really matter to much to me, since I talk with earbuds on sometimes. Right now, I'm leaning toward the Sennheiser IE80s since they are much less expensive, but still perform solidly. 
 
Sep 9, 2012 at 11:57 PM Post #12 of 13
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Yes, this definitely helps. I just want to know, based on your opinion, whether the extra $200 is worth it.
 
I forgot to mention this, but Noise Isolation doesn't really matter to much to me, since I talk with earbuds on sometimes. Right now, I'm leaning toward the Sennheiser IE80s since they are much less expensive, but still perform solidly. 

Whether or not you think that the extra $200 is worth paying depends entirely on your take in music. To me, the IE80 vs. PFE 232 battle is pretty much one between enjoyment and appreciation. Do you enjoy your music as a whole? The IE80 should be your choice. Are you the kind of people who wants to dissect and appreciate all the inner detail in asong? There you go with the PFE 232. That doesn't mean the IE80 can't be used for analytical listening or the PFE 232 is not "fun" at all, but I have to confess that while I'm putting the IE80 on I'm missing the detail retrieval of the PFE, but on the other hand with the 232 plugged in my ear canals I do crave for the warmth and big soundstage of the IE80. I guess there is not any pair of IEM that can satisfy you in all aspects, so if you have to decide on one, prioritise the ones important to you. I am really lucky being able to afford to keep both.
 
Sep 10, 2012 at 10:55 AM Post #13 of 13
Both are very different sounding IEMs.
I have auditioned the Phonaks before, i didn't think the 232 was worth it's price tag.
It's younger sibling, the 122, which i've owned before doesn't sound too off the 232 at a much lower price tag.
Had some problems with phonaks as well regarding the earphone wire soldering, apparently one side of my phone was softer than the other.
 
I'm on IE8s with the twags v2 and personally do not think 232 is that much better.
The 232 has more details and treble and better midrange but they're really diff sounding iems.
 

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