[darinf]

  Is this affected by the soundstage of the headphones used?
I might be interested in this for my on the go setup, but with the soundstage of the M50x (I love them anyway) it'd seem that they wouldn't pick up the nuances the DSP brings. Am I wrong?
(I don't have the time to throughly test it right now)

The headphones, DAC, and amp will affect the sound, but it's no different than the way your rig affects the sound in general, without Out Of Your Head.
 
I have found that just about any headphones will give you the "out of head" imaging, even Apple earpods. Of course, higher end systems will be able to reproduce more of the subtleties of the different speaker presets, but in general, any headphones will work.
 
So I usually tell people if you like the sound of your listening system, then you should like the sound of your system with Out Of Your Head. 
 
The best thing is to try it and see for yourself. If you don't have time to install the trial of Out Of Your Head and test it, you can always just listen to our pre-rendered demo files on our website. No need to install anything. Just use any web browser and listen with your headphone rig. (Go to our website and click on the "online demo" icon on the top.)

 

[edwardsean]

  I'm thinking of buying this software in the future, but I have one question: are there any plans to add support of the head track technology? I think that adding this feature will help to recreate better the "out of the head" effect, I already have a head tracker for gaming.
 
Thanks!
 
(I want a realizer, but I think I will never afford to buy one, its very expensive...)

I think for music, and even movies, it's so much better to have the soundstage rendered agnostic to your head position. One of the advantages of headphone listening, I feel, is that you don't lose the stereo image when you turn your ahead and you don't have to sit still in the sweet spot. You're engulfed in great sound and can move about, or work, freely while you listen. I could see the appeal of head tracking for gaming though, or some of things that VR is trying do by allowing you to move in a virtual acoustic space. But, that's different than head tracking relative to a virtual speaker like the Realiser implements. The future looks (sounds) pretty good though with technology like Dolby's Atmos, 3-D rendered audio files, etc.  These kind of advancements would make head tracking really interesting. For now, OOYH as it is, is the present state of the art. 

 

[phoenixdogfan]

I can tell you I thought it was important when I was considering buying OOYH in the first place, but now believe a very convincing illusion can be obtainec without it.  
 
I also own the HeaDSPeaker unit, and it has a headtracker.  That is a nice unit that renders the illusion of a modesty priced home theatre, bit nothing nearly as spectacular as can be oftained with OOYH--provided you can find the right preset that works for you and your individual HRTF.
 
I used to think the most imporant things on OOYH were 1) Headtracking 2) A custom ASIO driver and 3) Low latency and 4) a great HRTF match.  I never thought 24/96 processing that important, and still do not.  32/48 is just fine.
 
To me the latency and the HRTF matches are the most important things.  

 

[Great-God]

Well, when installing the trial it shows a kernel security chek failure and reboots the computer.

 

[darinf]

  Well, when installing the trial it shows a kernel security chek failure and reboots the computer.

Hi @Great-God,
 
What operating system and version are you running? FYI, Out Of Your Head requires Windows 7 or 8 64bit, or Mac OS X 10.8 or higher.
 
Are you saying that the Out Of Your Head installer is crashing? I have not seen that before. At what stage does the installer crash? Right after launch? Does the Out Of Your Head Installer window open? Does the crash occur after the Out Of Your Head installer is finished but when the driver installer launches?
 
I would suggest downloading the trial version again just to make sure the file was not corrupted somehow. 
Also, before launching the installer, try disabling any security/anti-virus software. Since we install a driver and our software is not well known to the anti-virus software, sometimes Out Of Your Head can get blocked by security software.
 
Lastly, please contact us directly via our website contact form if you want us to help troubleshoot your system.

 

[Great-God]

It's Windows 8.1 64bit, and it happens right after the message "a popup message will appear when the driver is installed". The very moment I close it it's a BSOD.
But yeah, tomorrow I'll give it a try again, maybe after a bit of hard drive cleaning.

 

[darinf]

It's Windows 8.1 64bit, and it happens right after the message "a popup message will appear when the driver is installed". The very moment I close it it's a BSOD.
But yeah, tomorrow I'll give it a try again, maybe after a bit of hard drive cleaning.

Sorry about not replying sooner.
 
Did you ever get it to install the driver?
 
I have not seen a BSOD during the driver installation. But can you double check that the Out Of Your Head VIrtual Audio device is not listed in your Windows Device Manager under the "sound, video, and game controllers" section? If there is, try to uninstall it and select "Delete the diver software" option too. Then reboot and try the installation again.
 
Another alternative is to manually install the Out Of Your Head driver through device manager. But I suspect that may also cause the BSOD.
 
Lastly, contact us directly and we can try a beta version instead.
 
-Darin

 

[DivineCurrent]

Hey Darin, assuming you read this, do you plan on adding any more presets of different systems, and if so which ones were you thinking? If I could give my 2 cents, I'm sure many people including myself would love to hear a KEF system, or maybe Bowers and Wilkins.

 

[darinf]

Hey Darin, assuming you read this, do you plan on adding any more presets of different systems, and if so which ones were you thinking? If I could give my 2 cents, I'm sure many people including myself would love to hear a KEF system, or maybe Bowers and Wilkins.

Hi @achelgeson ,
 
We are always looking for more systems to measure and add to the library of presets. However, we are at the mercy of finding owners willing to let us come in and measure their speaker systems. We get what we can, but it can take a long time to find willing owners. We also don;t have the resources to fly places just to do measurements. So, you can imagine how difficult it would be to target a specific speaker brand and model and then find someone who not only has those speakers, but is local and willing to let us do a measurement.
 
I do have a couple measurements that I need to get ready for release. I have a measurement of some Magico Q7 speakers and a pair of Estelon XB speakers. Those should be released in the next month or so.
 
But I always like to tell as many people as possible that if you know anyone who has a nice speaker system that is willing to let us come in and do measurements, let us know! (Southern California preferred... but you never know)

 

[DivineCurrent]

Hi @achelgeson
 ,

We are always looking for more systems to measure and add to the library of presets. However, we are at the mercy of finding owners willing to let us come in and measure their speaker systems. We get what we can, but it can take a long time to find willing owners. We also don;t have the resources to fly places just to do measurements. So, you can imagine how difficult it would be to target a specific speaker brand and model and then find someone who not only has those speakers, but is local and willing to let us do a measurement.

I do have a couple measurements that I need to get ready for release. I have a measurement of some Magico Q7 speakers and a pair of Estelon XB speakers. Those should be released in the next month or so.

But I always like to tell as many people as possible that if you know anyone who has a nice speaker system that is willing to let us come in and do measurements, let us know! (Southern California preferred... but you never know)

Thanks for the reply Darin! Yes, i can very well imagine the difficulty of not only finding specific speaker systems, but also at the same time them being willing to let you do measurements. Sounds good that there are new presets coming, i look forward to it!

 

[phoenixdogfan]

Darin, I understand we will need the new low latency version of OOYH when we migrate to Windows 10.  Obviously Windows 10 has been released and I'm sure a lot of us want to bid Windows 8  a fond farewell, and migrate to Windows 10 so we're interested to know if we're pretty close to seeing the release of low latency Windows 10 compatible OOYH.  Any idea how much longer till you can do that release?

 

[darinf]

  Darin, I understand we will need the new low latency version of OOYH when we migrate to Windows 10.  Obviously Windows 10 has been released and I'm sure a lot of us want to bid Windows 8  a fond farewell, and migrate to Windows 10 so we're interested to know if we're pretty close to seeing the release of low latency Windows 10 compatible OOYH.  Any idea how much longer till you can do that release?

Sorry about the late response...
 
I am not sure when we will release the low latency, Windows 10 compatible version of Out Of Your Head. Right now, it's in beta or really a "soft" release. Anyone who wants to try the latest beta version is welcome to contact us. I am pretty sure the latest version will become the release version soon, I hope!
 
The biggest issue with the low latency engine is that the CPU requirements have gone up. Older, slower computers that work fine with the current release version of Out Of Your Head may not work with the new version. Generally an i3 or higher CPU or AMD equivalent is required. But if you upgrade to the low latency version and it doesn't work with your CPU, you can downgrade back to the current release version. (As long as you have not upgraded to Windows 10)
 
There is a problem with people with slower computers that upgrade to Windows 10. At that point, the current release will not work on Windows 10. But the low latency version will not work with Windows 10. So, just a warning for anyone with an older computer who upgrades to Windows 10. You may not be able to run Out Of Your Head anymore. We tried to "upgrade" the current release processing engine to work on Windows 10, but have not been able to do it. So, if you have a slower computer, please contact us to try the beta Windows 10 compatible version BEFORE you upgrade to Windows 10.

 

[phoenixdogfan]

Darin, considering I just upgraded to an HP Envy 15T with an i7 4710hq processor and have already installed Windows 10 on it,I would be very interest in trying the beta version of the latency build. I will contact presently.

 

[MrYman]

  Yes, you can have Out Of Your Head installed on both versions of Windows. YOu will however need a separate license file for each version of Windows. When you're ready, contact us with your Windows 10 UUID and we can issue you an updated license file.
Yes, on Windows, the typical latency is 450ms.

 
For the new low latency version, you must have a relatively fast computer. (Intel Core i3, i5, or i7) For fast computers, Out Of Your Head low latency adds about 30ms to 60ms to any existing latency. (Most systems with a USB DAC have inherent latency without Out Of Your Head. This latency can vary between machines and devices. On my Windows i5 laptop, the latency with a Geek Out DAC is about 60ms without Out Of Your Head running.)

Thank you re license for upcoming Win 10!  And re latency, I got a nice new fast desktop PC (i7-4790K @ 4GHz), so I guess I'll be fine with your new version to use even for games, beside movies and music.

 

[alexdi]

This is very impressive software. I've had a few hours of listening time with the various presets. Long enough to agree that, yeah, it sounds just like a set of speakers. 
 
But not particularly good speakers. They're all very different and none approach neutral. The binaural positioning is far superior for movies, but if I could keep that mathematical model and subtract all the various speakers that created it, this product  would be much more compelling. Headphones have so much higher fidelity than any full-size speaker arrangement, I wonder the virtue of attempting to emulate something worse. 
 
Anyway, so far, I've found the free HRTF function in PotPlayer to present the most realistic sound, as opposed to the most realistic rendition of speakers playing the sound. If OOYH could do better, I'd consider it a bargain.