Oriolus Traillii Electrostatic Hybrid IEM discussion thread
Jul 12, 2021 at 8:18 PM Post #3,616 of 6,083

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I own an LCD-X with a Gumby mjol 2 stack at home alongside my dx300 and a12t. How would you guys compare the traillis to some higher end cans? I’ve been debating if I should upgrade from the X to Utopias or just sell everything and buy the traillis. I prefer iems slightly as I’m not bound to my desk and can share the listening experience with others more easily.
I had a set of Utopia for a couple years. They’re easy to drive and sounded amazing out of most stuff I had (RME ADI2 and a bunch of DAPs).

I sold the Utopia to fund the Trailli and haven’t regretted it. That being said, portability is a factor for me, so that plays in for sure.

Maybe I’m an undiagnosed bass head, but I always found the Utopia slightly bass light for my tastes. Not sure how it would compare to the X. Other than that, the Utopia was perfect for me in almost every other department.

Traillii hits the mark for me across the board in a different way than Utopia, hard to say better, just different. Both are awesome, and I don’t regret having owned either.
 
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I own an LCD-X with a Gumby mjol 2 stack at home alongside my dx300 and a12t. How would you guys compare the traillis to some higher end cans? I’ve been debating if I should upgrade from the X to Utopias or just sell everything and buy the traillis. I prefer iems slightly as I’m not bound to my desk and can share the listening experience with others more easily.
I agree with @aaf evo since it’s quite a commitment.

Having heard the LCD-X, I can assure you that the Traillii are at least as good or better than the LCD-X depending on your tonal preferences. They are also more portable, don’t leak sound and take a lot less to fully power them.
 
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I had a set of Utopia for a couple years. They’re easy to drive and sounded amazing out of most stuff I had (RME ADI2 and a bunch of DAPs).

I sold the Utopia to fund the Trailli and haven’t regretted it. That being said, portability is a factor for me, so that plays in for sure.

Maybe I’m an undiagnosed bass head, but I always found the Utopia slightly bass light for my tastes. Not sure how it would compare to the X. Other than that, the Utopia was perfect for me in almost every other department.

Traillii hits the mark for me across the board in a different way than Utopia, hard to say better, just different. Both are awesome, and I don’t regret having owned either.
I also am somewhat of a bass head as I like to listen to a lot of edm, though the a12t completely satisfies me with that regard. Maybe I’ll demo some utopias and decide from there.
 
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I also am somewhat of a bass head as I like to listen to a lot of edm, though the a12t completely satisfies me with that regard. Maybe I’ll demo some utopias and decide from there.

Im an EDM head myself and the Traillii is one of the best I have ever heard for edm. It’s not going to give you bass head levels of bass but the tonal balance, detail retrieval, and staging makes it so euphoric to me for edm.
 
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Im an EDM head myself and the Traillii is one of the best I have ever heard for edm. It’s not going to give you bass head levels of bass but the tonal balance, detail retrieval, and staging makes it so euphoric to me for edm.
I’d second this. It’s amazing for edm. The only unicorn I could imagine replacing the Traillii would be the Trailli sound signature with DD bass, boosted slightly, without (magically) impacting the rest of the frequency response.
 
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Im an EDM head myself and the Traillii is one of the best I have ever heard for edm. It’s not going to give you bass head levels of bass but the tonal balance, detail retrieval, and staging makes it so euphoric to me for edm.

I’d second this. It’s amazing for edm. The only unicorn I could imagine replacing the Traillii would be the Trailli sound signature with DD bass, boosted slightly, without (magically) impacting the rest of the frequency response.

If I may as a bit of an outsider in regards to EDM.. I enjoy a lot of it and enjoy that it revolves around being digital in creation. That being said, most artists or composers of EDM master their projects to be balanced. Pounding bass or very bright highs could be fatiguing. Personally, I’d prefer something like Traillii for EDM as you’re able to appreciate the track as a whole. Spatial cues, extension, intended rendering etc. without too much emphasis to cause imbalance. Odin is also something very good for EDM but some take issue with mid range tuning that I personally don’t. So demo all you can or just take the leap of faith like most of us lol.
 
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I also am somewhat of a bass head as I like to listen to a lot of edm, though the a12t completely satisfies me with that regard. Maybe I’ll demo some utopias and decide from there.

I have a Utopia and Traillii and I really have a hard time comparing them :sweat_smile: I know it doesn't help you. I think it will be better for you to think of what you don't like about U12t and see if Traillii covers your need/improvement over U12t.

On the bass aspect, from my journey, I think Focal Clear has the most impact/punch/speed while giving up some mid-treble resolution. I had so much fatigue it was unreal... When I got the Utopia, I was relieved with the balance and finer resolution while keeping the Focal speed and punch (but not as strong as Clear). My other favorites are HD800 and STAX L700 so you might find my trend/taste here.

With that said, Traillii is more like a properly driven HD800/Stax for me. Wide/Tall/Deep stage and amazing air between instruments. There's just enough sub-bass to give the air. Mid-bass is slightly drier. Focal has thicker mid-bass IMHO.
 
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I own an LCD-X with a Gumby mjol 2 stack at home alongside my dx300 and a12t. How would you guys compare the traillis to some higher end cans? I’ve been debating if I should upgrade from the X to Utopias or just sell everything and buy the traillis. I prefer iems slightly as I’m not bound to my desk and can share the listening experience with others more easily.
I have been thinking about going HP’s myself. You already have a good desktop set up, so your only cost will be for the cans. My vote would be ( if you have the budget) go for the Traillii as they sound great driven off of anything and are mobile which you mentioned. If you must sell everything to obtain them, I do believe a high end HP will deliver more musically if you have the desktop setup which you do have. Utopias can be had for $3k and some say they are getting them for even less. But the best still seem to be the Susvara and Abyss 1266. The Sus is maybe $4500 for a good deal and the Abyss is like $8k for it with the best wire. Maybe you can get 10% off. So Still expensive. Both are also difficult to drive properly for their best sound.

Perhaps you can audition them. Are you in the US? If so, contact Andrew at MusicTeck and audition the Traillii. Hopefully you can also get an audition of the Utopia someplace. I agree with @aaf evo that you need to listen and make a more personally informed choice.
 
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Looking for some DAP recommendations. I have the M8 and just tried the P6Pro. The UI was not fun and without getting into too much detail, I appreciated some of what the P6Pro did over the M8, I ultimately prefer the M8 considering the UI and the price difference and not (to me) a commensurate increase in quality.

So, back to Andrew at Musicteck... I fear the restocking fee so I might opt to try a LPGT rather than just lose money. I read it sounds great with the Traillii... any direct comparisons against the M8 with the Traillii?

Thanks
 
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Looking for some DAP recommendations. I have the M8 and just tried the P6Pro. The UI was not fun and without getting into too much detail, I appreciated some of what the P6Pro did over the M8, I ultimately prefer the M8 considering the UI and the price difference and not (to me) a commensurate increase in quality.

So, back to Andrew at Musicteck... I fear the restocking fee so I might opt to try a LPGT rather than just lose money. I read it sounds great with the Traillii... any direct comparisons against the M8 with the Traillii?

Thanks
Keep an eye out for Hiby RS6. Your store credit would be useful for that…

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https://www.head-fi.org/threads/fli...ortable-audio-discussion.826876/post-16444849
 
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Jul 13, 2021 at 12:42 AM Post #3,627 of 6,083

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Is it yet out and has anyone tested it with Traillii?
Couldn't really understand flying over the thread besides funny discussions with Crinacle if the bird is worth the price 😉
Well the other DAPs he mentioned aren’t going anywhere and depending on what the RS6 turns out to be, could be something to consider.

Traillii works excellently with LP W2. Traillii isn’t terribly fussy with gear anyway.
 
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Cross post from the Oriolus General Discussion Thread


An Oriolus Impression Shootout: Traillii, Isabellae, Crassirostris


Comparing all three with the same songs back to back to back. Using a Cayin N6ii DAP WITH R01 “R2R” module. All stock cables and stock large tips. Traillii (the bird) and Isabellae (Isa) terminated with 4.4 and Crassirostris (Crassi) with 3.5

I don’t really have reference tracks. I used songs that I’m currently very engaged with across a variety of genres. i.e. classical, jazz, vocal, r&b, world, and rock.

While taking extensive notes with each track, a common thread emerged. Very similar to what has already been stated about Traillii and Isa. Crassi however being fairly new with few impressions. So I will try and do my best to break down the differences and similarities as they were all tuned by “the old man”! Each tuning is remarkable in its own way. I believe all three have a place in my collection. I was skeptical due to the Traillii being soooo good at everything, however the Isa and Crassi do have some unique specialties that the Traillii can spread to far out. More on that later.

I will say that with all three of these monitors, you do not need a deep fit. They are extremely comfortable and non fatiguing. I also want to point out that Isa and Crassi are still burning in.

I’ll start off with The Court Jester Crassi. Well because he has a few tricks up his sleeves. It’s been stated that crassi is flat, neutral and not fun. I can agree with one part of this. It’s definitely a neutral tuning but I do not hear it as flat and I am having a lot fun with it due to the hybrid with DD driver configuration.(coming from only having Traillii for 6months) However I have found that I can’t stop listening to the Crassi with Classical music. It seems almost made for this genre. Which made me extremely and happily surprised. I’ve been on the hunt for a classical monitor. A few times I forgot I was supposed to switch Monitors and three tracks in…Whoops….that tells me I was very much absorbed into the music. So I would have to go back to the first track and listen again as to compare the other two iems.

The overall tonality of the Crassi is neutral with good separation and air in the upper frequencies but still smooth. A single DD taking care of the Low end and in a very balanced way. There is depth, control, layers and texture to the bass. It’s about split even for mid bass and sub bass presence to my ears. The old man really knows how to tune. This is not a bass head IEM at all. The mids are slightly pushed back especially in correlation to the Isa. This is not a problem for me however with the music I mainly listen to, as it creates a less in your head experience. The soundstage width is above average, bettering the Odin from my memory. However the Crassi does lack some depth. Some tracks give a smidgen of that Traillii soundstage magic, feeling it all around the head. Track dependent however.

There is def a BA timbre with piano music especially. Crassi has a quick decay and fast transients that make it sound more dynamic than the Isa. It resolves well. Although in very busy tracks, can be a tad incoherent. But that is to be expected in a hybrid. Layering is really good to my ears. With any of the tracks I tested I haven’t heard where it suffered or lacked. However there is driver flex. If you are sensitive to this, it’s worth mentioning.

I will say that The Crassi to me seems like a specialist. As if it was made for classical and chamber music. This is where he really shines. (Also with well produced pop and R&B) Hence the court jester title. From my reading the best monitor for classical is one that is super coherent, highly resolving, with a wide soundstage, hence a lot of single DD’s that excel here. So I was shocked to hear this hybrid replay classical better than any monitor I’ve come across thus far. Traillii indeed is the better monitor (almost perfect tonal balance) but I prefer the more neutral sound of Crassi for classical. Isa is a different iem all together and I’m having a hard time comparing them because of that. With Jazz music, the Crassi is dynamic and technical while still drawing me into the music. One stand out is cymbal strikes. See Milt Jackson’s version of Caravan. They are perfectly balanced on Crassi. Again harkening to the tuning genius of “the old man” The difference of staging with Crassi compared to Isa and Traillii is that Traillii is in a large music hall, sitting in the middle of the hall. The Isa is as if you are on stage next to the performers and Crassi is a smaller venue a few rows back.

I’ve always had a fascination with classical music but the Crassi has made me fall deeper into adoration with this emotionally engaging music. Which is quite the conundrum that it sounds best with a neutral set of monitors.

The classical tracks I used for comparison are as follows:

Ester Magi and the Estonian National Orchestra-vesper

Krystian Zimmerman-Beethoven compete piano concertos-Allegro Con Brio

Scott Yoo-Metamorphosen- serious song, a lament for string orchestra

Janos Starker-Bach/suites for solo cello-Allemande

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I almost ended my review and decided to try some of my recent favorite modern high res Pop and R&B tracks (not something I listen to often) and the Crassi excels here as well. Actually it’s Great. Tracks sound full and engaging, getting the fullness of the DD to come out and play. I don’t listen to EDM, but I can see Crassi excelling here as well. Im not sure if anyone will remember when Thieaudio released the Monarch and Clairvoyance iems and the hype involved there…well the Crassi takes the best of both of those; expounds on and balances it all out with an exceptionally mature tuning. Im also getting some Odin vibes without that upper mid spike and full on assault of the senses.

Next up Princess Isabellae

I save this and Traillii for last because they will be the hardest to write about as all the impressions and reviews thus far have hit the nail on the proverbial head. So I’m unsure what I can really add without sounding redundant. I’ll give it a go and so be it if it’s been said before!

These are amazing monitors, period.



End of impressions.





Nah just kidding.



Miss Isa is such a darling. She is refined, upright and knows how to have a good time.

My kind of lady.

Like all have said here, the tonality of Isa is nothing short of brilliant. The timbre of acoustic instruments is awe inspiring. Anything acoustic, I.e. guitar, bass, drums, cello, violin, piano, etc. Listening again to Milt Jackson’s-Caravan, the upright bass is just perfect. You can hear the layers in the bass as he scales the fretboard. You can hear Janos Starker taking breathes in-between sections. Breathtaking in its most simple form.

Vocals are the best I have ever heard. (I’m sorry Traillii). Roberta Flack’s-Just Like a Woman is simply sublime. As if she is singing only to me. Damien Rice- I don’t want to change you. The acoustic timbre of his guitar is natural and real. You can hear each string reverberate. And his voice is the best I’ve heard it EVER. I don’t really know how to describe it other than it sounds real and natural and not replayed.

This is my first time hearing a single DD. I’ve always read about the stellar coherence with them. And I now understand. It’s completely addictive. I don’t want to stop listening to them. I listened to an entire album and didn’t even realize it because I was enjoying it too much to pay attention to every little detail. **I didn’t use this album for my comparisons.**

Okay enough gloating over this fine lady. Let get into the details.

Soundstage is intimate- less wide than Crassi and def less than Traillii. But this is not a downfall. Because when I’m listening I do not notice this as a fault. The music does not feel in my head. I feel connected to whatever I’m listening to. Isa sucks you into her sweet vortex of ooey gooey goodness Timbre, Texture and Tonality. Adorning you with a balance of coherency across the spectrum. She may not be as technical or resolving as her counterparts but what she lacks she makes up in spades of emotion.

I have said about the Traillii that it’s lower register piano timbre is blunted or if the piano is pushed back in the mix. Which bothers me with some of my very favorite jazz tracks such as Oscar Peterson’s -Maria. His Piano is a little further back in the recording and with Isa, his piano sounds as it should, it’s hits, rises and has a good decay, the note is not blunted or let go for too long. Perfect tuning here. Traillii blunts his piano on this track and now I cannot ever not hear that. One more thing that has been said in every review/impression is that Isa is Mid Bass forward, with very little sub bass presence. This is not an issue for me as it pairs perfectly for my main music taste. However I’m not sure how well you would like it if you want the rumble and texture.

Bill Evans Sunday at the Village Vanguard-All of you(take 2) followed by Jade Visions(take 2) recorded days before legendary bass player Scott LaFaro died tragically. The upright bass here is unlike I have ever heard it before. You can hear his hand snap and slap and pluck the strings, you can feel it. It’s layered, rich and deep, taught and tight with a heaviness that feels weightless. Intoxicating. Another track that shows off the instrument prowess of the Princess Isa, is Brandee Younger- Somewhere different. She is a harp player and one of the best I’ve heard. About 2:05 into the track some reverb comes in and it envelopes you. Even though an intimate monitor, this part of the track was a “WOAH, WHAT THE!?!” Moment! The treble stays smooth and the bass never booms or blooms into the mids. The mids are my favorite part of this iem and I would say it’s mid focused. It doesn’t sound quite neutral to me. It’s definitely on the warm side.

I will say that I did not prefer Isa with classical. It plays well but it’s too warm for orchestra in my opinion.

The Bird! The Queen Traillii

Radiance, Awe and Immersion. The allure is real, like a sirens call. The poetic love of Traillii and her now legacy will continue and live on through all of us that have had the great pleasure of her acquaintance. I myself am quite obliged and honored to be in this royal court of the trinity. With Traillii firmly

In the top.

I can’t really say much that I haven’t already said about her or that others have emphatically praised her for. It is the single most balanced and tonally correct monitor I have ever heard. Remarkable timbre coming from an all BA Set. If I did not know it was, I would not be able to Guess it was.

The natural 360 soundstage is head scratching. The way the treble sparkles and never fatigues, pushing air around every single nuance in the FR. Creating a beautiful sense of space, without any loss of resolution, detail, layering, dynamics or coherency. It’s absolutely stunning how this monitor Has been tuned. It’s a master stroke. You can hear it! This is indeed a Master of his craft at the top of his game. I don’t always prefer the Traillii as I sometimes appreciate a more intimate sound especially with jazz trio when the band IMO should be heard intimately. Three musicians basically huddled together-a wide soundstage doesn’t seem natural in this setting to my ears. I prefer the intimacy with Isabellae and how it overtakes me with emotion and a warm blanket like feeling. Not to say it’s veiled. Just a comparison to how a warm blanket feels when it’s cold. It’s an emotional response. One that Traillii has given me on multiple occasions with different music and now Isabellae is giving me the same just in a different way. But just because I prefer some things over Traillii does not take away from its masterful tuning. One that I will never rid nor tire of.

The most beautiful aspect of this shootout is that I can hear the DNA of “the old man” in all three monitors. His heart and soul is in these. It’s palpable! And as @Rockwell75 would say..that “Oriolus Magic”

Shout out to @RTodd for pushing me to write this up for all of you. And for great music rec’s :)
@MusicTeck for the being the best. And to Andrew for having the most genuine and authentic customer service I’ve ever experienced. Thanks to him I own all of these, all paid for by myself including the dap and module.

Tracks listened to for comparison but not mentioned in the review as follows

Neil Young-Ambulance blues

L’Rain-find it

Nat King Cole- if I may

Charles Owens Trio- If 6 was 9

Milt Jackson-Sunflower

Anouar Brahem-astounding eyes of Rita

Tool- the pot

Why so serious?- Hans Zimmerman

Gary Burton-straight up and down

Greentea Peng-dingaling

Carla Bruni-L’excessive

Celeste-both sides of the moon

Ester Magi- bukoolika

Ilhan Erashin- freedom

Laura Mvula- got me

Against All Logic-this old house is all I have

Eloise-who’s she

Puma Blue-Already Falling

El Michels Affair- Walk with me

Ghost Creek- June

Erika de Casier-Someone to chill with

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The Sus is maybe $4500 for a good deal and the Abyss is like $8k for it with the best wire. Maybe you can get 10% off. So Still expensive. Both are also difficult to drive properly for their best sound.
Abyss also around $5k. The extra investment in the superconductor cable, while I have it myself, is not necessary. It's a lot of money, but it will buy you the best headphone ever made, in my opinion.
 
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Aroma presented new Witch Girl called W6.2
Price is around 1000$ so its an Oriolus Crassi competitor...

2DD 8mm + 2BA for mids + 2BA for highs
Impedance: 10ohm
Sensitivity: 110db

so sexy that translucent red logo (coming soon):yum::yum::yum::yum::yum::yum:

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