[Duncan]

Hiya... not too often that I post here

Quick question to all you DIY gurus... looking at converting the 627s that I have put into my CD player into class a biasing, but am not sure of the value of the resistors to get...

I have a service manual / schematics for this player if there isn't a straight forward answer, and is dependent on the rest of the circuit...

Thanks all!

 

[Glassman]

you need to get around 2mA per opamp, the equation is quite simple:

your negative supply voltage divided by 2 = resistor value in kiloohms..

put that resistor from the opamp's output to that negative supply..

 

[Duncan]

15v... so thats a 7.5k ohm resistor per channel...

Sweet, thanks Glassman

(btw... any particular grade or type that I should get, or just general purpose?)

 

[PinkFloyd]

So Duncan would connect a 7k5 resistor between pins 6-2 ?

 

[00940]

from 4 to 6

 

[PinkFloyd]

That's what I initially thought but Duncan pointed out "or would it be two... if its a feedback 'device' then it'd be two rather than 4"

So....... 6-2 or 6-4 ? I still think 6-4 but it's always best to get a third and 4th opinion

 

[KTpG]

6-4.

Class A biasing is for the output... and I don't think it would do well on the inverting input (pin 2).

BTW- 2mA per chip may not be exactly what you want. You can use other biases. You might try different values to see what works best- perhaps as low as 2.21k ohms and as high as 10k or so.

 

[00940]

Quote:

Originally posted by Glassman put that resistor from the opamp's output to that negative supply..

or also from the HA-1 project :

the biasing resistor is the 1.5k, 0.6W one

or even, from Tangent's article on opamp biasing :

 

[PinkFloyd]

Quote:

Originally posted by Duncan Hiya... not too often that I post here Quick question to all you DIY gurus... looking at converting the 627s that I have put into my CD player into class a biasing, but am not sure of the value of the resistors to get... I have a service manual / schematics for this player if there isn't a straight forward answer, and is dependent on the rest of the circuit... Thanks all!

So the question is fourfold from where I stand.

1: Will converting the 627's into class A biasing bring about any sonic improvements and, if so, why?

2: Is it worth spending money on milspec resistors or will standard 1% metal film be ok ( I know the answer to that one..... use standard 1% varieties in this application)

3: connect between pins 6-2 or 6-4 ?

4: Is Glassman's reply 100% on the button or are there any other views on this "you need to get around 2mA per opamp, the equation is quite simple:

your negative supply voltage divided by 2 = resistor value in kiloohms..

put that resistor from the opamp's output to that negative supply.."

Comments appreciated and anything else that should be taken into consideration welcomed.

Pinkie.

 

[guzzler]

1. It should provide a small improvement in sound, as the opamp is always loaded, and so there is no crossover distortion

2. 1% resistors will be fine there

3. 6 and 4. 6 and 2 would make it act as a feedback device, I'm not sure what affect it would have, but it wouldn't be nice!

4. 2mA is a decent starting value, some opamps will respond better at lower a lower bias, but that is something experimentation determines.

A more advanced approach would be to use a JFET cascode (see PIMETA/PPA schematic) or a CRD (see MINT schematic)

g

 

[00940]

regarding question 1 :

http://www.tangentsoft.net/audio/opamp-bias.html
http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/twe...ges/31186.html

 

[PinkFloyd]

Quote:

Originally posted by guzzler 1. It should provide a small improvement in sound, as the opamp is always loaded, and so there is no crossover distortion 2. 1% resistors will be fine there 3. 6 and 4. 6 and 2 would make it act as a feedback device, I'm not sure what affect it would have, but it wouldn't be nice! 4. 2mA is a decent starting value, some opamps will respond better at lower a lower bias, but that is something experimentation determines. A more advanced approach would be to use a JFET cascode (see PIMETA/PPA schematic) or a CRD (see MINT schematic) g

Cheers Guzzler.

Pinkie.

 

[PinkFloyd]

This is all very interesting

Can anybody work out what Graham slee has done by placing a 33K resistor between pins 7-8 and 1-8 on the AD823 op amp?

This was one of the circuit mods for the 2004 Solo

Pinkie.

 

[PinkFloyd]

That was probably an unfair question as the mod also involved replacing a BC337 with a BC184C, a 4k7 with a 33K, a 10uT with a 220nF, aa 100pF with a 220pF, a 47K with an 18K, a 1k with a 4K7 and a 220uF with a 1000uF........... oh and a 4K7 was replaced with a 66K.


here's the consumers view:

I've got the full schematic of the 2004 Solo but I would be really interested to hear your opinions on the 33k op amp bridge ..... I know the answer as I've got the blueprints in front of me but it's an interesting exercise

The answer will follow

 

[Glassman]

positive bias, nothing more.. most opamps sounds better when biased to negative, ie. they are sourcing current, but a few others sound better when they sink current.. this guy apparently believes AD823 is one of them