Odd things about the HD 600 and MDR-7506, plus MDR-V700DJ revisited
Dec 22, 2002 at 8:26 AM Thread Starter Post #1 of 39

Eagle_Driver

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Earlier today, before I headed to work, I listened to one of my favorite jazz CDs (Miles Davis' Kind Of Blue) through my Sony MDR-7506's. But when the trumpet came on on the alternate take of "Flamenco Sketches", the trumpet came out extremely tinny! What the ****** is going wrong? WAY, WAY, WAY overbright, not just overbright!
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And just to make sure it's my hearing (and not the recording), I've listened to the same "problematic" trumpet passage through my Sennheiser HD 600's, it's still WAY overbright, but not as severe as from the 7506's! And I've listened today to a bunch of my favorite jazz and rock CDs through both my MDR-7506's and my HD 600's - and (lo and behold!) more than half of them sound waaaaaay too bright (to my ears)!
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(And nope, I didn't screw around with the EQ; I listened with no bass or treble boost at all whatsoever.) And all this treble is robbing me of all the enjoyment of my favorite music! Worse, all of the bass drums in my music began to sound like castanets.

I thought I was going to buy a pair of relatively bassy headphones (my HD 212Pro's sound WAY too bassy and a bit too sizzly) - until I realized that a friend of mine was going to give me a brand-new pair of a certain widely-used "bona-fide" DJ headphone (which remained unnamed until I opened the gift wrapper) as a Christmas present. I received the package just as I left for work, and opened the wrapper. OMG! It's the "infamous" Sony V700! Brand new!

My first listening impressions (on the same main amped portable rig as the one I recently used to demo the V700 at Sam Ash) is that this particular V700 sounds much more like the headphone that's notorious for that long, overdrawn bass than it does to a recent sample that I had heard at Sam Ash. And when I listened to one of the slower tracks ("Blue In Green") from Kind Of Blue through the V700's, that somewhat overdrawn bass, combined to the relatively laid-back treble, oddly enhanced the enjoyment of that track - making me want to sink back into a sofa laying there and relaxing. (I know, the V700 sucks relative to the 7506 and the HD 600, on an absolute scale - but am I beginning to agree with bangraman here?
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) I also listened to some Norah Jones through the V700, as well - with equally odd results. But with classical music, the V700 just doesn't sound quite right. And the V700 acquitted itself fairly well on vintage rock music (such as the 1960's stuff from Motown).

Overall, the Sony V700 is flawed, but can be enjoyable. I will have to give it a rating of 6 out of 10.

Head-Fiers (and especially Sony V###-series bashers), you may crap away on this thread.
 
Dec 22, 2002 at 11:07 AM Post #3 of 39
What happened to the in case of V-crap pull alarm. Is that an alarm I hear going off??????
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Dec 22, 2002 at 11:19 AM Post #5 of 39
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Originally posted by Flasken
You're becoming what you hate!!


NO, BECAME WHAT HE HATED!!
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Dec 22, 2002 at 3:04 PM Post #7 of 39
Okay, the lower-numbered V### series 'phones (up to V600) are all V-CRAP. The 700 is just barely above "crap level".
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Dec 22, 2002 at 3:34 PM Post #8 of 39
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Originally posted by ServinginEcuador
What happened to the in case of V-crap pull alarm. Is that an alarm I hear going off??????
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Nope, that was a false alarm.

The V-crap pull alarm applies to every current-model V### series up to V600, which is what the newly modified pull alarm now says.

And oh, my 7506 delivers really shrieky treble (but is otherwise well-balanced). Still, that's a far cry from the somewhat honky, plasticky, echoey character of my HD 280Pro.

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NO, BECAME WHAT HE HATED!!
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Originally posted by myself, aka me
So you finally agree with Magicthyse? That V700s can sound good? :p
Pity he's not here to see this thread..


I'm not saying that the V700s sound good. OK, maybe, but not very good. And note in my original comparison that the V700 still sucks compared to the V6/7506 on well-recorded and properly mastered music. Too bad most of the recordings that most people buy are all sonic excrement anyway.
 
Dec 22, 2002 at 5:39 PM Post #9 of 39
But why did the Miles sound tinny through the other cans when it used to be fine?
 
Dec 22, 2002 at 7:12 PM Post #10 of 39
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Originally posted by Eagle_Driver
Nope, that was a false alarm.

I'm not saying that the V700s sound good. OK, maybe, but not very good. And note in my original comparison that the V700 still sucks compared to the V6/7506 on well-recorded and properly mastered music. Too bad most of the recordings that most people buy are all sonic excrement anyway.


Here here (or should that be, hear hear)! I'm so sick and tired of great music being let down by crappy production.
 
Dec 22, 2002 at 7:19 PM Post #11 of 39
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Originally posted by Eagle_Driver

Too bad most of the recordings that most people buy are all sonic excrement anyway.


Like what magicthyse listens to with his V700s (well, until his girlfriend nicked 'em)
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Dec 22, 2002 at 7:27 PM Post #13 of 39
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Originally posted by plainsong
Here here (or should that be, hear hear)! I'm so sick and tired of great music being let down by crappy production.


I would imagine what Eagle means, taking what seems to be his usual irritated style, is that most people listen to crappy music these days.

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Personally I don't find the MDR-V700DJ too bad. Not what I'd choose now given my freedom from a budget and my ability to pick headphones specific to the task (as well as being well over the age where I can look cool with these, not to mention the wrong shape), but I think the V700 is a reasonable all-rounder. I still have a V700 in sound at least in the form of the 7509, compared to which the V700 is a bargain.
They are a little heavy, but they do fold into a smaller package than the Sennheiser HD280 and are easier to drive... And probably suits most portable players' sonic characteristics better. If I mainly used a portable CD or minidisc to listen, was fairly casual about listening and wanted a single pair of kickass headphones for say £80 street, I would pick the V700 even with my experience of other phones. If you're picking nits you can say it has a grainy treble and overdone midbass, which is true but the V700 will sound extremely good to the vast majority of 'regular' people and be usable outside in the street, while the HD280 will sound thinner and look silly to most. Paying a little (Typically £30-40) more will get you a DT250-80, but it's less practical for portable use compared to the HD280 or the V700.
You lucky people in the US get the V6 for less than the cost of either, which wins hands down over the above two in practically all categories... but many of us don't live in the US, in which case the MDR-7506 is a whopping £130 street in the UK.
Further edit, Eagle...You noticed the "Norah-V700 Effect" too?
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Dec 22, 2002 at 8:10 PM Post #14 of 39
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I'm not saying that the V700s sound good. OK, maybe, but not very good. And note in my original comparison that the V700 still sucks compared to the V6/7506 on well-recorded and properly mastered music. Too bad most of the recordings that most people buy are all sonic excrement anyway. [/B]



Are you trying to say the this Miles Davis CD is a not well recorded or mastered, that sounds better with the V700DJ than with the 7506??? Most of the headfiers has it (the CD) as a reference......be honest with yourself, the V700DJ sounds pretty good to you, of course not comparable with the HD600 or another better cans but still rocks, is a little overpriced and a hell uncomfortable but sounds good.....period, Please stop this vendettas against Sony!!!! They can make and they do make some decent cans, even the best dynamic cans ever made....
 
Dec 22, 2002 at 8:24 PM Post #15 of 39
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Originally posted by Sovkiller
Please stop this vendettas against Sony!!!! They can make and they do make some decent cans, even the best dynamic cans ever made....


Uh... Etys are made by Etymotic Research in Illinois...

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Oh, we're not talking price/performance... never mind.
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In any case, Eagle, [size=medium]I DEMAND SOME EXPLANATION!!![/size]

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Earlier today, before I headed to work, I listened to one of my favorite jazz CDs (Miles Davis' Kind Of Blue) through my Sony MDR-7506's. But when the trumpet came on on the alternate take of "Flamenco Sketches", the trumpet came out extremely tinny! What the ****** is going wrong? WAY, WAY, WAY overbright, not just overbright!

And just to make sure it's my hearing (and not the recording), I've listened to the same "problematic" trumpet passage through my Sennheiser HD 600's, it's still WAY overbright, but not as severe as from the 7506's!


To me it sounds like something changed for you that made V700s work - not that they "aren't that bad afterall"...
 

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