NuForce Icon desktop DAC/amp

May 1, 2009 at 9:10 PM Thread Starter Post #1 of 11

fotomill

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I was looking for a nice mid-range DAC/headphone amp with both USB or optical input & RCA analog input, without spending much money. I have been using Styleaudio's DAC line; CARAT-HD1V, then Peridot (Emerald in US), and now Ruby (Topaz in US). The CARAT-Ruby is a decent quality DAC/amp but I definitely wanted something better. So the candidates were NuForce Icon and Beresford TC-7520, among others. Anyway I ordered an Icon from Amazon, which was $262 including shipping to Korea, pretty good price. Partly because I was impressed by the NuForce Icon Mobile, a tiny portable headphone amp, which I found very resolving or revealing, though not very silky.

The Icon arrived very soon. It took only probably 3 days. The setup was 1: Mac Pro > USB > Icon, 2: Mac Pro > optical/USB > Ruby > pure silver RCA > Icon.

Firstly, the DAC part is very weak, much quieter than RCA input. The same music sets the volume, for example, at 12 o'clock with RCA input, but at 3 o'clock with USB input. With some classical pieces, max volume would not do enough.

I turned to setup 2. It was pretty nice. But the sound was neck and neck with the Ruby. Sometimes I could not distinguish the sound from both amps. Until 40 hours burn in, it was about the same, not really open, sometimes I feel like the Ruby is just a little bit more resolving, which obviously made think that I might have spent the money for no use.

About 70 hours passed. Things began to change. First, the bass became deeper, but treble not quite detailed and resolving, yet. Anyway I was happy to see the potential to open up.

At about 100 hours, things changed a lot. The bass got even deeper, still with substantial texture and power. That great bass I have never heard on my AKG K701, and I did not think I would even get that quality of bass on K701, either. It is awesome, sometimes overwhelming to feel the thump. The treble also got much more open and detailed. So the whole dynamic range has expanded a lot and everything is clear to distinguish. Mid frequency is just a little more laid back than the Ruby amp.

However, the DAC part is still not satisfying. It is not as dynamic as the Ruby DAC and Icon combo, and the soundstage is a bit narrower, too. Above all, it's too weak to drive my K701 to the full potential.

The Icon is surely a stepup from Ruby, which costs $185 here in Korea. Now I can easily hear the difference. So I recommend this Icon to anyone who wants heavy bass and great detail on K701 for a reasonable price. And the best setup would be CDP or another decent DAC + Icon with RCA input, and minimum of 100 hours is required to burn it in.
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May 1, 2009 at 10:18 PM Post #2 of 11
I bought the Beresford and I'm happy with it, also considered Icon which looks pretty neat. More pics tbh
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May 2, 2009 at 6:30 AM Post #4 of 11
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I bought the Beresford and I'm happy with it, also considered Icon which looks pretty neat. More pics tbh
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Btw, how can I insert pictures? When I used the smalll yellow icon, it asks me the http address, not my computer directory...
 
May 3, 2009 at 6:01 AM Post #7 of 11
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You have to upload your pictures online. You can upload them at places such as imageshack.com


aha, it's a bit inconvenient.. I don't understand why we can't just upload pictures directly. I'll try later.

Anyway, I would like to add that it is not good for earphones like most other desktop amps which I have experienced so far. When used with earphones, it sounds somewhat muddy, much less resolving.

And the Icon is not completely silent at higher volume when music is not coming in, also there is some volume knob noise at 3~5 o'clock. Left-right channels are not balanced near minimum volume. Volume starts from right channel.
 
May 3, 2009 at 7:53 AM Post #8 of 11
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aha, it's a bit inconvenient.. I don't understand why we can't just upload pictures directly. I'll try later.

Anyway, I would like to add that it is not good for earphones like most other desktop amps which I have experienced so far. When used with earphones, it sounds somewhat muddy, much less resolving.

And the Icon is not completely silent at higher volume when music is not coming in, also there is some volume knob noise at 3~5 o'clock. Left-right channels are not balanced near minimum volume. Volume starts from right channel.



Channel imbalance at very low volume isn't uncommon with a lot of amp.

3 to 5 o'clock should be VERY loud, which headphone are you using that needs you to up the volume knob that far?

Is it comparable to a desktop amp? Nope, but it's definitely better than the iBasso D2 Boa that I had.

Overall, the Nuforce Icon is very good. It's packed with features with a small footprint for only $200. That's the cost of the iBasso D2 Boa portable amp when it was released!
 
May 3, 2009 at 9:13 AM Post #9 of 11
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Originally Posted by moonboy403 /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Channel imbalance at very low volume isn't uncommon with a lot of amp.

3 to 5 o'clock should be VERY loud, which headphone are you using that needs you to up the volume knob that far?

Is it comparable to a desktop amp? Nope, but it's definitely better than the iBasso D2 Boa that I had.

Overall, the Nuforce Icon is very good. It's packed with features with a small footprint for only $200. That's the cost of the iBasso D2 Boa portable amp when it was released!



Yeah, I heard somewhat about channel imbalance at lower volume, and this was no exception.

The volume knob noise at 3~5 o'clock of course does not bother me because it is heard only when I turn the knob, but anyway I use K701 and like I said above, the Icon just doesn't pump enough power when used with USB input. But again it is not a real problem as I decided not to use it as a USB DAC.

Fed by Ruby's DAC through silver RCA cables, it sounds better and louder. Normal volume position would be 12~1:30 o'clock.
 
May 3, 2009 at 10:44 AM Post #10 of 11
Well, I have changed my mind and decided to look at good points of the DAC. It is still weak but I found that it has cleaner and more neat sound than the RCA input, while not having the super bass with the RCA input. So if the music does not require heavy bass and it is a solo piece or mid-high frequency dominant music, then the DAC part seems to play a better job. For example, sopranos, classical guitars, violins, cellos...sound good.

By the way, I am now using a pure silver USB cable. I borrowed it just to see if it is any better than my Belkin PureAV Blue series USB cable. Yes, it is a little better. Subjectively, maybe 5% better.. Highs are sharper, cleaner, a little more transparent. Little effect on lows.

If anyone uses silver USB cable, please share some impressions.
 
May 3, 2009 at 10:01 PM Post #11 of 11
Just passing around 200 hours, the DAC part got further improved and now it surpasses the SQ of Ruby DAC. There is more detail, a bit wider soundstage, and even rich bass, too. So now it is better than Carat-Ruby in all but the output power.
 

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