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I've had a Denon DCM-370 for some time now (it's in my office rig), and it has been very reliable, and actually sounds better than any player in its price range that I've heard (which is very low -- street price ~$200 to $250). In my experience, it's a smooth sounding player, and easily the least fatiguing player to listen to that I've heard in its price range. Compared to better players, it does give up detail, and it isn't particularly sweet on the high end. It also does not give the sense of airiness that some of the better players and DACs I'm using are better at serving up.
As a transport, the Denon DCM-370 actually does quite well considering its price -- I've tried running its coaxial digital out into the Bel Canto DAC 2 and the MSB GoldLINK III DACs, and, as expected, these DACs made the DCM-370 sound like a completely different and much improved beast (but, then again, you're not really listening to the DCM-370 much anymore with these DACs in place).
As far as how much jitter the DCM-370 is afflicted by.....I have no idea. I've not seen this specific model measured anywhere, so I can't really say for sure how high or low it is. I'm not assuming it's top notch in this regard, but, again, I have no firm idea on how it would measure.
Also, regarding coaxial digital out using RCA jacks/plugs: though not necessarily the best configuration, it is what even some of the better CD players are equipped with.
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As far as a transport having to have BNC or AES/EBU to be "proper": that would be up for debate. The Sony SCD-1 -- considered by many to be an awesome transport -- is, I believe, only equipped with S/PDIF output on RCA (as are many others).
I have yet to see a single-digit psec jitter rating from any transports (I'm not saying that it doesn't exist, just that I haven't yet seen such a measurement yet).
Some measurements I have found (and how these were measured weren't always spelled out very clearly):
dCS Elgar: 132 psec to 150 psec
Merdian 508.24: 144.2 psec
Sony SCD-C333ES: 167 psec
Marantz CD6000 KI Signature: 260 psec
Arcam Diva CD72: 150 psec
Accuphase DP-100: 168.5 psec
Creek CD-53: 155 psec
Musical Fidelity Nu-Vista 3D: 156.3 psec
Sony SCD-1: 146.8 psec
I'm not very learned when it comes to jitter and the like, so I'm not sure how meaningful these measurements are.
| Originally posted by andrzejpw <sigh> And everyone was raving about the denon a few short months ago. |
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| Originally posted by wasifazim A new CDP, since I can't imagine that your Denon, with its high jitter levels and only an RCA digital out, would be a great transport. - Wasif. |
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I've had a Denon DCM-370 for some time now (it's in my office rig), and it has been very reliable, and actually sounds better than any player in its price range that I've heard (which is very low -- street price ~$200 to $250). In my experience, it's a smooth sounding player, and easily the least fatiguing player to listen to that I've heard in its price range. Compared to better players, it does give up detail, and it isn't particularly sweet on the high end. It also does not give the sense of airiness that some of the better players and DACs I'm using are better at serving up.
As a transport, the Denon DCM-370 actually does quite well considering its price -- I've tried running its coaxial digital out into the Bel Canto DAC 2 and the MSB GoldLINK III DACs, and, as expected, these DACs made the DCM-370 sound like a completely different and much improved beast (but, then again, you're not really listening to the DCM-370 much anymore with these DACs in place).
As far as how much jitter the DCM-370 is afflicted by.....I have no idea. I've not seen this specific model measured anywhere, so I can't really say for sure how high or low it is. I'm not assuming it's top notch in this regard, but, again, I have no firm idea on how it would measure.
Also, regarding coaxial digital out using RCA jacks/plugs: though not necessarily the best configuration, it is what even some of the better CD players are equipped with.
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| Originally posted by wasifazim You haven't gotten it all wrong, Duncan. Digital RCA output is the way to go over optical output. However, the problem with RCA is that most single-ended digital cables strive for 75 ohm impedance throughout the cable, and yet no RCA plug (or RCA output jack) is capable of that; they're all usually closer to 50 ohms in impedance. This impedance mismatch introduces additional jitter. What I mean was that a "proper" transport should at least have a BNC output and (ideally) an AES/EBU output. Jitter isn't controlled "on" DAC. Your Marantz has a crystal oscillator that takes care of timing (bottom right hand corner of the PCB, wrapped in a black silicone ring), and the fact that it's not the nicest oscillator around is one of the factors leading to the high jitter rates (as I recall, your model's jitter is somewhere in the 600+ ps range; by comparison, a Musical Fidelity A3CD is sub-200 ps and the best transports bring it down to single digits. - Wasif. |
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As far as a transport having to have BNC or AES/EBU to be "proper": that would be up for debate. The Sony SCD-1 -- considered by many to be an awesome transport -- is, I believe, only equipped with S/PDIF output on RCA (as are many others).
I have yet to see a single-digit psec jitter rating from any transports (I'm not saying that it doesn't exist, just that I haven't yet seen such a measurement yet).
Some measurements I have found (and how these were measured weren't always spelled out very clearly):
dCS Elgar: 132 psec to 150 psec
Merdian 508.24: 144.2 psec
Sony SCD-C333ES: 167 psec
Marantz CD6000 KI Signature: 260 psec
Arcam Diva CD72: 150 psec
Accuphase DP-100: 168.5 psec
Creek CD-53: 155 psec
Musical Fidelity Nu-Vista 3D: 156.3 psec
Sony SCD-1: 146.8 psec
I'm not very learned when it comes to jitter and the like, so I'm not sure how meaningful these measurements are.
