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NEWS: Beats in a lawsuit with Yamaha

Discussion in 'Head-Fi Network & Industry News' started by joe, Feb 14, 2013.
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  1. BetaWolf
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    Say what? Your typical car has pretty lousy audio. My 08 Sentra has the tinny mids and overblown bass. It's unbearably inaccurate and boomy even with the EQ on the lowest setting. I get better sound out of my $10 Philips earbuds!
     
  2. Hutnicks
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    Hmmm................................................
     
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  3. Theogenes
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    We should definitely trade cars. 
     
  4. tintin220
    Not a lawyer by any means, but I am an engineer with some background in patent law. 
     
    Beats will lose this one, and badly, unless this is a suit regarding trade dress and that customers are confused. I can't imagine any patents regarding *functional* design that Yamaha could have violated, and any they may possess will likely be thrown out for failing non-obviousness. With trade dress, they might have a point, but that's notoriously hard to prove, as the Apple v Samsung case proved (where Samsung literally copied even the packaging and wall warts), and the second point, misleading customers, is even harder to prove without an extensive customer survey and guest paid consultant experts. 
     
     
    What Beats is really trying to do is get Yamaha to settle. Neither actually wants this to go into trial, because even if Yamaha wins, it'll have to pay its lawyers, as unfortunately, unlike many other countries, there aren't automatic implicit "loser pays" rules (and by loser pays, I mean plaintiff pays). Fortunately, there are some lawmakers in Congress pushing for patent law reform, and we might see a sort of plaintiff pays rule come into effect, which in theory should substantialize reduce the amount of trolling. As it is, however, no one wins but the lawyers making a payday if this goes to trial, so expect a settlement.
     
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  5. tintin220
    Double post: I can't read, it is for trade dress, not a patent after all. Still going to be very hard to actually win. 99% chance they just settle.
     
  6. streetdragon
    Thanks for the info :)
     
  7. scrypt Contributor
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    Could the absence of a rule compelling losers to pay have something to do with financial disparities which could be used by high-echelon thieves to discourage legal action?  Take the hobbyist inventor who believes that a major corporation has stolen hir work: To the foont who confects anti-gravity paperweights in hir quiet room, losing and then having to pay for the defense of Frantic Dynacosms Ltd (a multi-trillion-dollar company located in the State of Refined Intoxication) might seem a wee Thaddeus intimidating.
     
  8. orky87
    Who's sensible enough to buy Monster/Beats audio. OK I get the fashion side of things but that's where it ends. I hope they lose Yamaha has way better reputation and respect from all around the world.
     
  9. Hutnicks
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    Simple math really. For every one person who has heard of Sennhiser, Beyerdynamic AKG etc there are thousands who know the beats brand. In your face market saturation has it's benefits.
     
  10. streetdragon
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    unfortunately so, its really annoying when one walks into the audio shop and asks "how does bla-bla-bla compare with the beats tours? Will bla-bla-bla sound better than the beats pros? Are bla-bla-bla a better buy than beats solos? Does it have active noise cancelling like the beats studios?"
     
  11. miceblue

    If you're an average person shopping for headphones, do you seriously expect them to say "how do these compare to the H800 or SR-009?"
     
  12. Theogenes
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    Expect? Not all all. Hope, wish, pray and dream? You betcha!! :wink:
     
  13. droido256
    Honestly I think many of those who buy beats haven't even heard of AKG, Sennheiser, Beyerdynamic, Grado or Audio Technica
    Hell I didn't even know AKG, or Sennheiser existed until I was looking through a Mars Music
     
  14. helmutssss
    I think there are headphones that are even more similar to Beats. But somehow, they don't sue them.
     
  15. compuryan
    Yamaha makes some incredible instruments, equipment, bikes, jet skis, and they're such an older and mature company than.... beets
     
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