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NEWS: Beats in a lawsuit with Yamaha

Discussion in 'Head-Fi Network & Industry News' started by joe, Feb 14, 2013.
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  1. Hutnicks
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    I was not referring to objects per se. Rather it was an inference that the sheer quantity and volume of new goods today is an overwhelming haystack in which to identify the needle of a new design.
    In other words, I believe that were you to try to patent a bottle shape today there would be considerable more work to be done than in 1915:) The concepts are certainly not new, however the context has changed rather dramatically.
     
  2. Steve Eddy
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    Oh sure, you have a Schiit load more prior art to research.
     
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  3. AzN1337c0d3r
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    My disagreements with patents are more fundamental than this. But I will focus on design patents, since that is what this thread is created about. To me, design patents (as defined by current US law) should not be allowed. 
     
    The effect of a patent is to grant the patent holder a monopoly on the market. This monopoly is supposed to be used as an incentive to publicly disclose their research, making progress public.

    What companies have done with design patents nowadays is to protect the recognition of their product by consumers. This is not conducive to the patent system's original intent to further human progress.
     
  4. Hutnicks
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    Now that is priceless:)
     
  5. Steve Eddy
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    Don't give me too much credit. Schiit puns are a dime a dozen around here. [​IMG]
     
    What's truly priceless is Jason naming the company Schiit. Since then, I've been patiently waiting for someone to name their headphone-related company Phuuk, so I can use my favorite word of all here without getting into trouble*. [​IMG]
     
    *I don't believe in "bad words."
     
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  6. Hutnicks
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    True enough. Altruism in the marketplace is a pretty unknown entity. Who was it, Reagan who tried to implement Leader Follower policy in the defense market by having the developer give away the research to competitors. That simply resulted in the competition being able to create the same product without having to recover the heinous R&D costs.
     
     These days where it is a case of 100 percent better 50 percent cheaper in 18 months should allow the 14 year (on design patents)patent holder to more than profit by their invention. That goes out the window when a knock off product comes out almost immediately and erodes the marker share. I can more than understand where using any means of lawful interference comes into play there. IF and a big if it is, said design is trully original and a radical departure from  the established products in the marketplace.
     
     Now to get to items under scrutiny here does the Beats design differ enough from pre existing designs to stand out on its own. God knows there have been more headphone designs over the years than any person could evaluate in a lifetime so the chances are good somebody went there before. Finding that little nugget may prove to be quite a challenge and the 75 grand might be a better option for a corporation like Yamaho to pay out.
     
    To your overall point I do not think any sane person believes for a minute that Beats brought any "breakthrough" design or technical to the market. This is about market share protection and little else. Brings to mind the legal action between the films Fail Safe and Dr Strangelove where a bogus plagarism suit was invoked in order to delay Fail Safes release as the plot was too similar to Strangelove.
     
    The thing about this deal is the money is a trivial amount so something else is at stake. If this goes against the Tuning Forks, will beats then go after everyone else with a teardrop headphone design?
     
  7. Steve Eddy
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    So how do you feel about copyrights and trademarks?
     
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    What do you mean by "nowdays"? What do you think the purpose of the 1915 design patent on the Coca Cola bottle was?
     
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  8. SmOgER
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    This samsung took my attention some time ago, but side by side with macbook this is even more hillarious!! [​IMG][​IMG] 
    I wonder why Apple didn't sue them, this rip-off is way more obious than touchwiz and SGS1. Heck, it's even more obious than yamaha's dr who headphones [​IMG]...
     
  9. catspaw
    Probably becouse apple had no patent for that
     
  10. applebook
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    And your attitude clearly indicates that you know nothing about the market and are just a typical PC fanboy. My username could be "Dragon-Ball-Demon," but that doesn't make me a demon. Am I lying that I don't have any Apple products, and that overall, I believe that the competition is actually better? Want pictures for proof? LOL.  

    If you want to credit Palm for touchscreen devices, you might want to look up something called the Apple Newton. Does Apple get credit for Palm's devices now? Not in your world, you'll just spin this into something else. Capacitive multitouch? How is your smartphone today if it used a stylus and had single touch functionality? 
     
    As for iTunes, you really think that people buy 100s of millions of i-devices for ITUNES?! I hate to break it to you, but there are millions of people who buy iPhones and iPads and avoid using iTunes at all costs. Since the 21st century, Apple's profits have always primarily been derived from its hardware sales.  

    This is my final response on this subject because there is no point in trying to educate an ignoramus who calls someone else the troll when he's the one who began flinging mud at Apple. When you make laughably ignorant and raving statements, don't be too surprised to be called out for them. Take it to Youtube or limit your emotional rants to one-liners - like "Apple is the devil, sucks!" - that warrant no response. 
     
  11. applebook
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    And they'd have to sue everyone because every manufacturer now has an ultrabook that looks similar. 
     
    I remember when people were telling us all how their netbooks cost only $250, and that the Air was an overpriced piece of junk. Now every company is on the ultrabook bandwagon. You can't and shouldn't be able to patent a basic design. Can you imagine if some of our most important technologies were patented? Only one manufacturer is allowed to make TVs? 
     
  12. peaceful1
    O.K guys I have posted a few irrelevant post it's not my fault when it come to beats it freaks me out 
     
    just wanted to remind you today is Justin Berber's birthday don't you see the intimacy [​IMG]
     
     
    Justin-Bieber-Dr.-Dre1.jpg
     
    http://forum.trshady.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=112238
     
    OMG!!!:  http://www.bohomoth.com/?p=29445
     
     
    for more pictures check out:  http://bit.ly/WtWMX7
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    seriously I blame pure & Nobel Brands like Grado , Klipsch , Kose ,Sennheiser , AKG , &... for not providing low-end but nice designed IEMs & cans so the youths won't be so enthusiastic for these colorful junks like Beats,Monster,skullcandy,SMS Audio,....
     
  13. streetdragon
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    i'm pretty sure sennheiser has a few...
    cant say anything about grado though lol
     
  14. AzN1337c0d3r
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    I'm all for open-access of all information, so I frown upon most copyrights. Copyrights on things of entertainment value, however, are probably a necessary evil.

    Trademarks are basically a patent on words. It's the same deal with design patents.
     
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    I meant the now rife abuse of the design patent.

    The purpose of the Coke bottle is brand recognition protection. I don't see that protection by the law as something that is necessary, or even beneficial to society.
     
  15. Steve Eddy
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    What rife abuse? I don't see design patents today being any different from design patents over a century ago.
     
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    Yes. Which is no different than Beats' design patents.
     
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    Ah well.
     
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