Newbie-Student Home Complete Setup

Jan 21, 2003 at 4:52 AM Thread Starter Post #1 of 15

tarentinos

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Salutations,

I am currently using Koss-KSC50's and an older Sony Discman for portable use, but I am looking for something of better quality for the home. Should I get a new source? amp? headphones? If you could set me up a value package I would be very appreciative. My spending range is about $300. It doesn't need to be audiophile quality, I would just enjoy a nice set of headphones. Seeing as I am a somewhat young student, I am in no need of anything incredible... although it would be good if it had some style
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If there's anyway I could add small speaker(s) to the source, that would be good too... just to sleep by, so nothing spectacular. I would also like it as small as possible because it will probably be competing for space on a desk crammed with homework.

Thanks!
 
Jan 21, 2003 at 5:06 AM Post #2 of 15
I don't know if this is a stupid idea or not... but I like the elegance of this Model One. I remembered seeing it on CNET... it says in the review it has a jack in the back to connect a CD player and headphones. I guess I could use my portable when I wanted to listen to CD's, just through the Model One. I also would have a very small system to just casually listen to the radio.

I think I'm ignorant, oh well.
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Jan 21, 2003 at 5:29 AM Post #3 of 15
I'm a college student myself. I have a Panisonic portable CD player. It's faily good, cost a little over $100 bucks.

Your musical taste and living conditions are your biggest factors when choosing new gear.

For me, I wanted open-air headphones, I live in a faily quite home, just a newborn babie that crys now and then. I didn't want close cup as I still wanted to hear someone if they knocked on my door. That and I felt that the open-air allowed my ears to breath better, the sound is more to my taste. I listen to alot of Alternative, Metal, some classic rock, techno, rap, industrail, classical, new age, pretty much I listen to it all.

I wanted a headphone that could be driven faily easy, that would be for home use, either hooked up to my portable directly or to my stereo reciever. I wasn't planning on buying a headphone amp and my budget was about $225-ish. The lower the better. Comfort was a big deal to me, thats why I looked towards Sennhieser. I wanted to wear my headphones for hours and hours at a time without getting a the imfamous headphone fatigue.

I was willing to spend big bucks on headphones that would hopefully not sound like headphones.

Even though I liked metal and rock, I didn't want headphones that added to much bass or that messed with the sound, just wanted clean, clear, unaltered music. The Sennhieser 500/600 series did just that.

For a while I was debating as which to go with, the HD580 or the HD590. Most people felt that the HD580 sounded better, but they also tended to like classical music more so then I. Most commend about the HD590's where that they sounded a bit light compared to the HD580s.

I got to test the HD580s at a GoodGuys store, and I felt that the HD580s need a bit of lightness to them. So I went with the 590's, plus the HD590s are far eaiser to drive, making the better for portable player use.

Today I couldn't be happier. I watched the movie Signs and listened to bands such as, Enigma, Eminem's 8 Mile soundtrack, Gorillaz, Distrubed, Godsmack, Busta Rymes, The Smithes, The Rolling Stones, and a few others.

The only CD that sounded poor was the Godsmack CD, and it was mainly cuz it was burnt from MP3s that I downloaded from the net. The CD Disturbed, sounded good, not the greatest, it could be that i'm just getting sick and tired of them by now.

Jazz, Classical, Hip Hop, and Rap, is where these headphones really shine. More so in Claisscal but the rest it still does a fantastic job.

I really felt the theater experience when I watch the DVD movie Signs. If you ever seen that movie, you'll know the detail that movie has with a 6 speaker surround system or how it sounds in the theater if you ever watched it there. The Sennhieser HD 590's did an a "couldn't ask for more" fantastic of a job.

I highly recomend Senneiser headphones. Regardless of your sistuation. If you need closed cup, get the HD 25 or the HD 280 Pro. If you want open air, get the HD580 or HD 590, and if your buget permits, hell go with the HD 600.

As for a cd player, you can always go to a store, plug in some headphones and test out the sound, also have it pluged into a stereo reciever and see how that sounds. If your happy, just get some headphones.

As a general rule, i find it a safe bet to be willing to spend double the cost of the audio source for the speakers or headphones.

Speakers/Headphones make such a bigg improvment on the sound. But be warned, the Sennhieser HD580 and 590's are not the kind of headphones you want to take outside.

Try and visit a GoodGuys store or any other audio store that allows you to demo headphones. Everyone's taste are differn't. I'm a Sennheiser man.

Who knows what will be your favorite brand.

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Jan 21, 2003 at 5:51 AM Post #4 of 15
So then you don't have an amp? Will the 580's sound good without one?

I was looking at something like this from headphone.com -

Airhead Amp
Sennheiser HD 497
Airbag
Portable One

That comes out to be about $320. I like the HD 580's, but would it benefit me more to couple good headphones with an amp than superb headphones with no amp? I don't know, I'm a newbie. So how do you like yours? Are they powered enough does it seem?

I actually watched "Signs" last night
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Thanks for the cohensive reply!
 
Jan 21, 2003 at 6:39 AM Post #5 of 15
The HD590's get pretty loud on a portable cd player unamped.

I don't have an amp and I don't ever plan on buying one. I don't think I really need one. On my portable they sound great just the way they are. And on my reciever they sound even better.

Unless your like a freak about music, and are a serious audiophile that spends big bucks on your stereo system, you don't need an amp and all those high end stuff.

I say with a good portable cd player and some good headphones, your fine. No need to spend extra money if you don't need to.

My portable cd player prob cost about $100 bucks, if that, who knows maybe a little more. It was a X-Mas present a few years back. I'm sure it's prob not an audiophile quality player, but it still does a kick ass job. Far better then my $200 Apex dvd player.

When I demoed the HD 580's on my portable, they sounded real good. It right at a comfortable volume. It put my cd player at full blast, and it sounded good. It just needed to be a tiny bit louder. The HD 590's acomplished that and more. I can't even put the HD 590's full blast on my portable without it being uncomfortable.

Even the 500 sounded good, but the 580s really sounded much much better.

I'm really glad I got the HD 590's. They'd prob do you go too. Hell I'm sure any one of the 500 series would do you pretty well.

But I'm no headphone guru or expert by any means. See what others say... (you "others" need to coment on this too, I can't be the only one to recomend)
 
Jan 21, 2003 at 7:01 AM Post #6 of 15
most headphones sound better with an amp. especially the nicer ones.

the HD580s and HD600s due to their high impedance (300 ohms) will benefit more than the typical headphone from the extra power.

i have a pair of 580s and i can tell i need an amp. i'm using my Creative Audigy as my main source right now. it doesn't have near the power to drive these to their max potential. i plan on upgrading my source and building myself an amp in the near future.

even unamped these sound amazingly clear... its the bass i find lacking due to the power issue.

if you are planning to use your headphones portably more than 25% of their usage i would suggest another headphone. Unless you get a mint tin amp you won't get the best potential sound from the HD580s while on the road.

HD590s are more suited to portable use, but you should consider other brands as well. Beyer and Grado make good headphones for portable use. i am not as well versed on them as i am Sennheiser so i will leave suggestions up to other members.
 
Jan 21, 2003 at 10:54 AM Post #7 of 15
ah wut da heck, here's my lil grado startup rig recommendation:

Sony D-25S (from silicon salvage, ebay): $45 + s/h
The Radio Shack wall wart (power supply) for the D25S: about $15
Grado SR-60 or 80s from headphone.com : $69 to $95 + shipping

Keep that setup and add a SuperMini Amp V.4 from fixup.net ($99)
or just ditch the amp and save yourself some money cuz the 60s and 80s can be well driven from that D-25S.

Or you could just get a pair of either the 60s or 80s along with a SlimX /Sony DJ01 MP3-CD player.
 
Jan 22, 2003 at 5:17 AM Post #8 of 15
I think I want the Sennheiser HD 497's just because they are somewhat sealed and can fold up. What amp should I get for these? Would an Airhead with a bag be good? I would like to get something that would fit in a bag (pet peeve). Should I buy the Sony D-25S as suggested?
 
Jan 22, 2003 at 6:00 AM Post #9 of 15
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Originally posted by tarentinos
I think I want the Sennheiser HD 497's just because they are somewhat sealed and can fold up. What amp should I get for these? Would an Airhead with a bag be good? I would like to get something that would fit in a bag (pet peeve). Should I buy the Sony D-25S as suggested?


the hd497s aren't sealed at all, they don't block any sound. They just don't leak too much sound towards the external. They're not foldable too (or really hardly, dangerous, you could break them).

It's a desk system ? Why would you spend money on the bag and on a portable amp ?

My reco :

- D25s : $60 (with ac adapter from ratshack)
- No airhead, they don't do any real improvments hooked to the D25s (tried with HD600), if you want an amp, looked higher (more expensive or used).
- Isolation needed : beyerdt dt250: $160 (Meier-audio), DT770 : $145 (meier-audio), ultrasone HFI-650 : $145 (meier-audio)

or

- No isolation needed : senns HD580 : $199 (headroom), AKG K501 : $150 (headroom), grado SR80 : $95 (headroom)

Total : between $205 and $260

I gave you each time 3 cans, I don't know what you prefer musically speaking and it let the pleasure to make a search in the huge archives of the forum to gather what's the closest match to your tastes. The D25s is a nice solution to drive good cans without losing to much quality and without spending at least 150-200$ in a good amp. You'll be able to go further later if you want.

Just my 2cents
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Jan 23, 2003 at 5:35 AM Post #10 of 15
Okay, I think I have decided:

Sennheiser HD 600
Sony D-25S

That will cost me about $300. The D-25S has the power to drive the HD 600's, right? I listen to a variety of music... are the HD 600's good all-around headphones?

Anything else I need, or am I good to go?
 
Jan 23, 2003 at 5:40 AM Post #11 of 15
you're about right but save a few bucks and get some hd580. Those are about 90% of the sound of the HD600 and really similar. To extract the 10 last % you need high end amps and source. It would be wasted here. The D25s is able to make these cans sound good but not at their top (could cost thousands of $ for it). The HD580 will sound really nice and will even improve later if you decide to upgrade for good amp or a source. The money you grab will be useful, college students need so much money, you'll see
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Jan 23, 2003 at 5:58 AM Post #12 of 15
Tar, Quote:

are the HD 600's good all-around headphones?


No. You should really audition them at a local store, meet, or mini-meet to see if they sound acceptable with your music. They may not have the energy for rock, dance, trance, swing, rap, top-40, etc. And yes, I do recommend that you buy them used (in the for sale section). If you don't like them, chances are you won't get what you paid for them; whereas if you buy them used, you can usually recoup your whole purchase price, or pretty close to it.
 
Jan 23, 2003 at 8:31 AM Post #13 of 15
I agree that you should at least audition the hd600 mainly because of its price. The D25S is a great player, but as great as it is, something like the HD600 needs a much better source rig to make them truly worth it. The HD580 is a much safer bet in that performance/price ratio respect. Plus the full D25S review on the portable audio forum specifically mentioned how it manages to drive the 580s well too. But I feel most importantly is that it depends on what type of music you listen to, because there are soo many other options than sennheiser that potentially better for your ears.
 
Jan 23, 2003 at 9:10 AM Post #14 of 15
If I was hunting for something in this price range, I would look into a phone that was not as dependent on the source. Maybe the Beyer DT-770 pros with a Meta42 would be nice. Then your ears probably wouldn't get blistered by the bad source.
 
Jan 23, 2003 at 9:12 AM Post #15 of 15
I don't know, I like my HD 590's alot. Far easier to drive then the HD580's.. And the HD580's do sound really nice, but I actually prefer the sound of the 590's. My personal taste of course. It's a tad bit lighter in sound and the bass is still really good, deep and clear. Great for techno, rap, electronica, classical, some classic rock. Hell I listen to everything with my headphones. The only CDs I think sound bad is not really genre related, it's just the CDs I burned from MP3 songs at low birates.

For hooking up to a portable unamped, I recomend the HD590s over the HD580s and even the HD600. The HD 600 I think are only worth getting if you have a good source and a good amp. Just to get your money's worth out of them. The HD 580s don't cost nearly as much as the 600 and the sound is said to be very similar.

If your looking for closed, go with the HD 280 Pro or the HD 25. If you can, really try to go to a GoodGuys store or any other store, at least hear the HD580's if you can. That way if you think, these are a tad bit dark, then go with the HD590 or you might be like, wow these are perfect, and just settle for those. HD580s are usually about $10 bucks cheaper then the HD590s.

You might like the HD 250 Pro's though. Take a look into them.
 

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