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So, there was some talk about this in the HE400i thread, but I thought I'd give this its own thread so it doesn't get drowned out, and is a pretty major thing that didn't seem to be talked about at all.
Me and a couple of HE400i owners recently noticed that the insides of our headphones looked DRAMATICALLY different. Like not "this is a different guage wire", like "missing an entire piece that seems pretty integral."
Here's the picture of mine:
I'd post some pictures of what the HE400i has looked like since its release, but I am not sure about the forum's rules about posting pictures I don't have rights to, so hopefully some other HE400i owner with the older (or correct?) design posts theirs, so you can see the dramatic difference.
The backplate is gone. The big plate that covers the entirety of the magnet structure that has circular holes in it. The backplate is the single most easily noticeable part of the structure and it's just gone.
No backplate isn't unprecedented, the HE400s doesn't have a backplate. And this looks a LOT like a HE400s driver because of that. I've never had this confirmed, but I believe the HE400s has the backplate removed because the HE400s's magnets aren't as strong, and thus don't need the backplate to keep them stable.
The backplate on planar magnetic headphones has always been a necessary evil. The magnets were so powerful that they required a piece of metal to hold them in place because they exert so much force on the diaphragm. The backplate isn't actually a sound generating aspect of the headphone though, it's there for structural stability.
Again, the backplate has always been a bit of a necessary evil. It's the primary culprit for the "closed in" feeling that planars are notorious for. On the more refined models, great lengths have been taken to have it take up as little of the "pass through" area as possible, while still being able to add the integrity that is needed to the structure, given the strength of the magnets. The HE560, for example, has gone through great lengths and lots of structural design to open up their sound.
The HE400s hit the tradeoff point. Its magnets aren't as strong, somewhat befitting it's lower rung on the HiFIMan totem pole, but this did allow the benefit of no backplate, which made them feel much more open than you might think. The combination of no backplate and weaker magnets has lead many people to think of the HE400s as almost a hybrid of a dynamic and planar headphone. You got some of the openness of a dymanic, but also some of the rolled off sub bass of a dynamic too (due to the weaker magnets). It was also much easier to drive and much more efficient than other HiFiMan headphones due to its weaker magnets. It's an interesting, and compelling compromise.
Now, previously (or maybe still currently), the HE400i used a backplate, because its magnets were much stronger than the HE400s. In fact the HE400i's backplate looked exactly like the backplate on the old HE400(no letter).
But a couple of people who bought the HE400i during the black friday sale recently noticed that their drivers looked like my picture above. No backplate. In my mind, there are a couple of possible answers to this interesting fact:
1) HiFiMan, in the rush of orders that the insane black friday $299 sale caused (seriously, that was such a crazy deal), accidentally put a few HE400s drivers into some HE400i units.
2) HiFIMan, as they are somewhat known for doing have made a revision to the HE400i, deciding that the magnets don't need a backplate, and used the HE400s driver mount to hold the HE400i driver, and gaining the sonic benefits of no backplate
3) it's some sort of hyrbid of the HE400s and HE400i driver.
I think I'm leaning towards #2 because given the HE400s's efficiency ratings, and comparing the volume I get out of my HE400i to other my efficient headphones, there's no way my headphone is even as close to as efficient as HiFiMan's stated efficiency measurements for the HE400s. The HE400s measures as slightly more efficient than my Fostex THX00, and the THX00 is very noticeably more efficient than my HE400i. It's a pretty dramatic difference. So, I can't imagine that this is the HE400s driver.
It's interesting, because I've always felt that people overblew the "closed in" feeling of the HE400i. This would make sense, since I am missing the backplate, which blocks and reflects way more sound than a grill mod ever could in a million years.
Interested to get some other HE400i owners' input.
I love HiFiMan as a company, I really do, but any of these possibilities are soooooo HiFiMan. Wouldn't surprise me at all if this was a new driver they didn't announce, if they just mixed up HE400s drivers, or if they put the HE400i driver in the HE400s style driver mount and just didn't tell anybody about the change.
Regardless of what it ends up being, I love the way it sounds, I just wanted to put as much info as I had out there on it, and see what others thought.
Me and a couple of HE400i owners recently noticed that the insides of our headphones looked DRAMATICALLY different. Like not "this is a different guage wire", like "missing an entire piece that seems pretty integral."
Here's the picture of mine:
I'd post some pictures of what the HE400i has looked like since its release, but I am not sure about the forum's rules about posting pictures I don't have rights to, so hopefully some other HE400i owner with the older (or correct?) design posts theirs, so you can see the dramatic difference.
The backplate is gone. The big plate that covers the entirety of the magnet structure that has circular holes in it. The backplate is the single most easily noticeable part of the structure and it's just gone.
No backplate isn't unprecedented, the HE400s doesn't have a backplate. And this looks a LOT like a HE400s driver because of that. I've never had this confirmed, but I believe the HE400s has the backplate removed because the HE400s's magnets aren't as strong, and thus don't need the backplate to keep them stable.
The backplate on planar magnetic headphones has always been a necessary evil. The magnets were so powerful that they required a piece of metal to hold them in place because they exert so much force on the diaphragm. The backplate isn't actually a sound generating aspect of the headphone though, it's there for structural stability.
Again, the backplate has always been a bit of a necessary evil. It's the primary culprit for the "closed in" feeling that planars are notorious for. On the more refined models, great lengths have been taken to have it take up as little of the "pass through" area as possible, while still being able to add the integrity that is needed to the structure, given the strength of the magnets. The HE560, for example, has gone through great lengths and lots of structural design to open up their sound.
The HE400s hit the tradeoff point. Its magnets aren't as strong, somewhat befitting it's lower rung on the HiFIMan totem pole, but this did allow the benefit of no backplate, which made them feel much more open than you might think. The combination of no backplate and weaker magnets has lead many people to think of the HE400s as almost a hybrid of a dynamic and planar headphone. You got some of the openness of a dymanic, but also some of the rolled off sub bass of a dynamic too (due to the weaker magnets). It was also much easier to drive and much more efficient than other HiFiMan headphones due to its weaker magnets. It's an interesting, and compelling compromise.
Now, previously (or maybe still currently), the HE400i used a backplate, because its magnets were much stronger than the HE400s. In fact the HE400i's backplate looked exactly like the backplate on the old HE400(no letter).
But a couple of people who bought the HE400i during the black friday sale recently noticed that their drivers looked like my picture above. No backplate. In my mind, there are a couple of possible answers to this interesting fact:
1) HiFiMan, in the rush of orders that the insane black friday $299 sale caused (seriously, that was such a crazy deal), accidentally put a few HE400s drivers into some HE400i units.
2) HiFIMan, as they are somewhat known for doing have made a revision to the HE400i, deciding that the magnets don't need a backplate, and used the HE400s driver mount to hold the HE400i driver, and gaining the sonic benefits of no backplate
3) it's some sort of hyrbid of the HE400s and HE400i driver.
I think I'm leaning towards #2 because given the HE400s's efficiency ratings, and comparing the volume I get out of my HE400i to other my efficient headphones, there's no way my headphone is even as close to as efficient as HiFiMan's stated efficiency measurements for the HE400s. The HE400s measures as slightly more efficient than my Fostex THX00, and the THX00 is very noticeably more efficient than my HE400i. It's a pretty dramatic difference. So, I can't imagine that this is the HE400s driver.
It's interesting, because I've always felt that people overblew the "closed in" feeling of the HE400i. This would make sense, since I am missing the backplate, which blocks and reflects way more sound than a grill mod ever could in a million years.
Interested to get some other HE400i owners' input.
I love HiFiMan as a company, I really do, but any of these possibilities are soooooo HiFiMan. Wouldn't surprise me at all if this was a new driver they didn't announce, if they just mixed up HE400s drivers, or if they put the HE400i driver in the HE400s style driver mount and just didn't tell anybody about the change.
Regardless of what it ends up being, I love the way it sounds, I just wanted to put as much info as I had out there on it, and see what others thought.