[rehabitat]

Parasitic Twins is the most amazing and unashamed pop song I have heard in a long time. It reminds me of some 70's pop song with huge vocal harmonies that I cant quite recall just now. Maybe Yes or Steely Dan????? Someone help me out here. Very addictive stuff; it was playing in my dreams and waking turns all last night, and still now..............................

Music to last a lifetime.

 

[kwitel]

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Originally Posted by rehabitat /img/forum/go_quote.gif My vinyl just arrived and I've downloaded and listened a couple of times. Wow, what an album. It will take a lot of time to fully sink in but gee.... fkn wow. I don't know what your trip is Redsky0000, but I strongly suspect your definition of 'melody' is vastly different from most. Most death metal is mediocre sludge. While the musicians may be highly talented, the musical content leaves a lot to be desired. Perhaps they should be playing music written by professional composers, like lots of other talented musicians who work for orchestras and smaller ensembles. (David Harrington, of the Kronos Quartet, said years ago that composition is not his metre. Thank heavens for his good judgement and his ability to interpret composed music with such incredible verve and good taste). While your examples are quite good, they are rather limited in melodious content. Death metal vocals is not what G.P. does imo. His vocals are a combination of extreme hardcore yelling and melodic pop 'singing', just in case you are unfamiliar with the term. Singing, that is. That takes far more talent, effort and taste than death metal growling on its own. Try it yourself and get back to us with the results. I know I can't do it successfully. Not even close, or far The Dillinger Escape Plan are at the absolute pinnacle of current popular musical endeavour. Some people get it. Most don't. That's what it is to be a pioneer of the arts... or a pioneer of anything for that matter.

Well said.

 

[RedSky0]

Ohohoho, you sir, have taken conceited to an all new level.

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Originally Posted by rehabitat /img/forum/go_quote.gif While your examples are quite good, they are rather limited in melodious content. Death metal vocals is not what G.P. does imo. His vocals are a combination of extreme hardcore yelling and melodic pop 'singing', just in case you are unfamiliar with the term. Singing, that is.

So how does the world look from up there in your ivory tower, looking upon the unwashed masses below?

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That takes far more talent, effort and taste than death metal growling on its own. Try it yourself and get back to us with the results. I know I can't do it successfully. Not even close, or far

And you would know that, how? Celestial symbols? Divine intervention? Tarot cards?

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The Dillinger Escape Plan are at the absolute pinnacle of current popular musical endeavour.

I rest my case.

 

[rehabitat]

Case? What case? I was hoping to provoke a more considered response, but alas, I have failed.

I'm sure everyone would prefer an exchange of opinions and ideas rather than insults. I am left wondering why you are still watching this thread considering your dislike of this band.

 

[RedSky0]

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Originally Posted by rehabitat /img/forum/go_quote.gif Case? What case? I was hoping to provoke a more considered response, but alas, I have failed. I'm sure everyone would prefer an exchange of opinions and ideas rather than insults. I am left wondering why you are still watching this thread considering your dislike of this band.

Well as it so happens that was my impression! Strolling around here aloof and nonchalant I was under the mindset that this was some kind of discussion forum where people came to give their opinions, regardless of whether they agreed or not?

Oh but by now you must be thinking, my impressionability ... it knows no bounds! How could I have come to such a brazen, outrageous conclusion?

As you have so rightly pointed out, this is in fact a place of communal circle jerking and reinforcing opinions. What am I doing in a thread of a band I'm not particularly partial to?

Outrageous! Simply outrageous!

Had I only known that this was a forum for making wildly unsubstantiated, extravagant claims, and insinuating others don't know what singing is, perhaps I would not have made such a fool of myself! After all, what everyone wants here is an exchange of opinions, not petty insults!

Please express my sincerest of apologies for this tragic, dare I say direst of misunderstanding.

 

[titaniumx3]

This album did nothing for me. It's not particularly bad, it's just that there's nothing that stands out as particularly different to the many metalcore/tech metal bands out there. I also dislike the slightly whiny/emo'ish singing and undertone throughout the music.

Calculating Infinity is my favourite DEP album, everything else is just more of the same really.

 

[poo]

Love your work RedSky0. I am particularly happy with your 'communal circle jerking' comment. Apt

 

[Commanderloochy]

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Originally Posted by titaniumx3 /img/forum/go_quote.gif This album did nothing for me. It's not particularly bad, it's just that there's nothing that stands out as particularly different to the many metalcore/tech metal bands out there. I also dislike the slightly whiny/emo'ish singing and undertone throughout the music. Calculating Infinity is my favourite DEP album, everything else is just more of the same really.

More of the same? It seems to me that DEP changed it up quite a bit on this album, just listen to Widower. It starts off as a piano ballad, and it works in my opinion. But then again I don't find his singing to whiny/emo sounding so I guess I'm hearing it differently.

 

[titaniumx3]

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Originally Posted by Commanderloochy /img/forum/go_quote.gif More of the same? It seems to me that DEP changed it up quite a bit on this album, just listen to Widower. It starts off as a piano ballad, and it works in my opinion. But then again I don't find his singing to whiny/emo sounding so I guess I'm hearing it differently.

Maybe you are right, I guess I was listening to this album expecting something different. I've only really listened to Calculating Infinity so I'm not exactly a huge fan of DEP. In terms of the actual metal aspect of the music, I find it fairly mediocre compared to previous albums, but that's not what DEP are about anymore (if thats what they were about at all).

/grabs coat and makes a quick exit!

 

[Commanderloochy]

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Originally Posted by titaniumx3 /img/forum/go_quote.gif Maybe you are right, I guess I was listening to this album expecting something different. I've only really listened to Calculating Infinity so I'm not exactly a huge fan of DEP. In terms of the actual metal aspect of the music, I find it fairly mediocre compared to previous albums, but that's not what DEP are about anymore (if thats what they were about at all). /grabs coat and makes a quick exit!

Yea they are definitely different. Personally I like it when they aren't doing the metal thing so much, i like it when they mix it up. If you get a chance try listening to the last couple of tracks off of Ire Works, very interesting stuff.

 

[rehabitat]

^I agree with your comments. It is much more interesting when they change up the moods, not just the riffs and time signatures. While Calculating Infinity is a truly great and ground-breaking album, there is only so much insane riffing a band can produce without becoming boring. Hence my earlier comment about most Death Metal being mediocre sludge. DEP have consistently progressed throughout their career, but not so radically to put off more open minded older fans. This makes them a band worth following imo.

Some of the vocal hooks and harmonies on this album are wonderful and quite uplifting for me, so I don't get the EMO reference either. The melodic parts remind me of some great pop ballads from the late 70s and early 80s. But we all approach music from different angles so it's all good. Not all of the progressions work for me however, but this is purely subjective.

By and large this album kills. Imo it's worth the time and effort to appreciate fully. I'm still working on it, which means that I will have the pleasure of discovering new elements for a long time yet. IME this make for music that will last the distance, maybe even a lifetime.