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New: Burson Audio Play Amp/DAC (2W@16Ohm) (op-amp rollers dream)

Discussion in 'Dedicated Source Components' started by ostewart, Sep 20, 2017.
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  1. ProtegeManiac Contributor
    All I'm saying is it needs to have SPDIF input and then maybe if I use a large enough case then I can mount it on the 5.25 drive. I wasn't telling the rest of you to not buy it. I'm pointing out that there's a limitation with how it can work the way they (and you) think it should work.
     
  2. Hansolo76
    There are always benefits to having a SPDIF I/O on any device, I will agree. That is always a huge plus to anything.

    I guess I don't understand what part of my plan won't work. The Play should operate identically to my Conductor Air: external power in, USB signal in, variable line out, and headphone out. I only use my Logitech G533 for 7.1 gaming. Other than that, I only use 2.0 audio through my Conductor Air or my Occulus Rift. My mainboard (Asus X99-Deluxe II) has a 112db SNR Crystal Sound 3 which is supposed to be very good for on-board standards. I've hooked it up once just to see if it works.

    Most of the time it is just: Foobar -> Conductor Air -> Cable+ -> Schiit Valhalla 2 -> Fostex T50RP -> :)
     
  3. ProtegeManiac Contributor
    It will work that way - ie you still have surround simulation on games - if you don't use the Burson Play for actually playing games (and assuming you're using the USB soundcard that comes with that headset). Which is confusing since it's called "Play." As it is the only way to get virtual surround on it is if it works totally in software and therefore done by the CPU, so that means Razer Surround or games with built-in headphone virtual surround like Overwatch and CS:Go.

    Point is, it would have been simpler to ditch the USB input for SPDIF considering:

    1. DSP chips on soundcards and motherboards work with SPDIF
    2. Games that do everything in software can still work through SPDIF (the only problem is if you're using a laptop that doesn't have a combo 3.5mm headphone and SPDIF optical jack)
    3. Consoles use SPDIF optical anyway, and if they have built in surround virtualization, then these will work with the Play
     
  4. selvakumar
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  5. Hansolo76
    Here is some more information passed along to me by Burson:



    Looks pretty impressive. Can't wait till I can get my hands on mine...
     
  6. ostewart
  7. john57
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    Here is a diagram showing the various five op-amps locations and the function they provided. The three dual op-amps are part of DAC chain. The two single op-amps helps drive the output stage. Any further op-amp rolling in the Play I would start with the two single op-amps first.
     
  8. selvakumar
  9. selvakumar
    guys pcie sound card usually having lot of emi interference form motherboard.graphic card,power supply thats why burson did a sound card wihch is completely enclosed and uses usb connector for data transfer actually my ASUS RAMPAGE V EXTRME EDITION 10 has ASUS SUPREME FX HI-FI DAC the same hardware and works like charm which asus launched in 2016 and i use burson opamps so out of curiosity predorered PLAY they offered 15% for old customers
     
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  10. selvakumar
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  11. ProtegeManiac Contributor
    And apart from Razer Surround, how does one use virtual surround on games that don't have headphone virtualized surround built in?
     
  12. selvakumar
    since play dosent offer virtual sound their circuit design is to operate in pure Class-A
     
  13. ProtegeManiac Contributor
    1. You very clearly missed my point about why SPDIF is necessary, regardless of what potential noise levels soundcards and motherboards tend to have, especially on a product named "PLAY" with the bonus feature of - surprise! - being able to fit in an old case or newer workstation case along with all the other noise generating stuff (without a pure copper chassis protecting it). Oh and it will run pure Class A in the air path going to the CPU. Would have found SPDIF more useful for gaming with a product named "PLAY" than pure Class A.

    2. There really is no link between not having virtual surround and operating in Class A apart from Burson making such an amp but forgetting that DSP chips work via SPDIF. Which was my original point about it having a limitation for everyone who plays anything but CS:GO, Overwatch, etc. At best the link is about cost but again, I'd pay a few bucks more to have SPDIF input on it. And no RCA inputs either, so I can't use line out from a soundcard, again to use DSP.
     
  14. ostewart
    Hi Guys,

    So I'm going to be the first tour stop in the UK and Burson have asked me to put this up:

    Invitation to Play:
    Burson is offering fellow head-fiers a chance to trail the Play in return for their evaluation and photos.
    • 1 unit of PLAY will circulate among UK based Head-Fiers.
    • 2 units of PLAY will circulate among Head-Fiers in the USA. (we'll expand the program to include other countries when these two become manageable.)
    • Each of the PLAY sample pack includes one set of V6-Vivid and one set of V6 Classic opamps.
    • Head-fiers will have a trial period of one week and then he/she must cover the cost of sending the sample pack to the next Head-fier.
    • We do not encourage reviewers to fit the PLAY into their PC case as the installation process could damage the cosmetic of the sample unit. Also, installing it into a PC case will make it difficult to roll opamps.
    • The reviewer needs to commit to sharing his/her evaluation and photos with fellow Head-fiers in this discussion thread.
    How to Play:
    Please express your interest by posting the below information onto this thread.
    • Your city of residence and country. (please don't disclose your real name and full street address)
    • A list of your current audio equipment and headphones
    • A photo of your audio system
    • Once a week, Burson will select and announce the next round of reviewers and PM each one for delivery details.
     
  15. WilliamLeonhart
    Seems like I can use 2 same opamps for each “LP” slot
     
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