Natural tranquilizers

Nov 10, 2008 at 6:55 AM Thread Starter Post #1 of 30

chadbang

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This woman I used to work with was quitting smoking and had this little bottle of herbal tranquilzer. I can't remember what it was called, and I've lost touch with this woman. I'm completely stressed these days (family problems) and I'm looking for something other than alcohol to calm my nerves. i know exercise is one outlet, but some kind of herbal supplement interests me. Does anyone know of any product (other than me chasing down a xanax prescription, which doctors are more reluctant to do these days, pain in the butt) that relieves stress.
 
Nov 10, 2008 at 9:39 AM Post #2 of 30
Sounds like 5-htp would be of benefit to you, as it increases your serotonin levels, and if taken in the morning on an empty stomach will help with the anxiety. Lots of info on it on the net.
 
Nov 10, 2008 at 10:30 AM Post #3 of 30
Also, Saint John's Wort, Kava Kava, and Royal Jelly (made by bees).

Laz
 
Nov 10, 2008 at 12:35 PM Post #5 of 30
It was probably something that combined Kava Kava, Kratom, Valerian, Poppy, and maybe GABA/5-HTP. There are lots of these brews sold from various headshops, health-food stores, and vitamin shops. Some come from fairly unethical vendors from countries like China and India and may contain potentially dangerous things like DXM, BZP, methylone, and hell knows what other research chemicals besides. I'm not going to link anything for obvious reasons.

The best way to deal with stress is to confront whatever is causing stress in the first place. Don't look for chemicals to make you hide from your problems. That's fine and dandy if all you want is an evening of peace, but it is very easy to transition from taking an occasional break from stress to simply spending every evening on the same drug being peacefully oblivious while your life continues to slide further and further down whatever road that made you stressed out in the first place. And before you know it, you've picked up a drug habit, legal or not.

Still, if you're looking for herbal stress relief, try Kratom, but don't overdo it! The active ingredient in Kratom, mitragynine, is somewhat similar to tryptamines structurally but acts on the mu- and delta-opioid receptors and is basically an opiate pharmacologically. So, it's bound to be physically addictive in the long term! In the short term, it can provide wonderful stress relief and pain relief. It's energizing in the lower doses and sedating in the higher doses, and while it physically impairs you somewhat (don't drive!) it leaves you mentally clear.

Kava Kava works too, and is definitely not addictive in any way. In lower doses is it relaxing, calming, and takes away social anxiety. In higher doses it will put you into a very interesting, mentally unclouded but emotionally open and receptive (and vulnerable) state. I would stick to lower doses for stress relief purposes, since higher dosages have a tendency to pick up whatever emotions you're feeling and amplify them, so that if you're down and stressed out, you can get even more down and stressed out. At higher dosages it's more of an intoxicant, but a good one.

There was a study that claimed that Kava Kava causes liver damage, but that study was deeply flawed and was refuted. Still, it's something to read up on. Make sure that you use either only ground root, or use a product/extract that was only made from the root. The rest of the plant contains toxins, but the root is very safe.

A weak MAOI like Passionflower could work as well, but when you're messing around with MAOIs you absolutely must follow certain dietary and drug interaction precautions. The penalty is pushing up the daisies. Read up on this if you intend to go this route. If correctly used MAOIs are very safe, not addictive, and Passionflower is a very weak MAOI to begin with.

St. John's Wort is believed to be an SSRI, and I wouldn't touch SSRIs with a 10 foot pole, much less by brain. Still, it's widely used for minor depression and anxiety treatment.

5-HTP never did anything for me past some stomach discomfort and a more vivid visual quality to my dreams - as if I needed any more of that already. Still, it's safe enough to try as long as you're not using MAOIs or SSRIs of any sort.

None of this stuff is illegal in the US, though Kratom may be heading that way pretty soon.

Don't medicate your problems. Work them out.
 
Nov 10, 2008 at 1:46 PM Post #6 of 30
Exercise and yoga. Get instructional videos from your local library. Being stressed out, you will argue to yourself you don't have time. Since this is for you, that is exactly the point. It's fairly offensive to me to suggest that a pill or potion is a cure for long term systemic stress and tension. That said, my winter afternoon green tea breaks are really great.
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You make the time, your brew the tea with water at the first boil, you savor, you unwind, you relax. It's gotten so my GP takes notes on what I've found that works for me.
 
Nov 10, 2008 at 2:39 PM Post #7 of 30
Hi Chadbang,

I've had some experience with severe stress and anxiety myself, and I can speak favorably about using mild prescription anti-anxiety drugs. Xanax is *extremely* powerful, and I would definitely not recommend it ever being taken except in a hospital environment, but I have found that ativan and clonazepam have worked very well for me in reducing my level of anxiety.

Regardless of what you do, I would suggest going and seeing your doctor to talk about it. Explain what your situation is, what you are considering taking, and ask for their advice. You don't have to take it, but then at least you have a professional medical opinion. One of the problems with herbal remedies is there is no way to demonstrate how well one companies batch of remedy X compares to anothers, or even compares between batches made by the same company, because there aren't any real laws dealing with supplements the same way that there are with prescriptions. Another thing to consider is that you don't wnat a prolonged stressful situation to turn into episodes of panic attacks, which are far more debilitating and much harder to deal with once they have become established. I had panic attacks, and they were ugly!

One of the things that taking a small to medium dose of prescription anti-anxiety medication (clonazepam or ativan) was while I didn't "feel" any immediate relief with them, they definitely increase your stress tolerance and help you deal with stressful situations. That is important, because people can end up becoming stressed out about feeling stressed out - and that's when panic attacks begin to form.

Anyway, like I said, if you're having any medical problems you should go see a doctor. I should take this advice sometimes, and I don't always- but that doesn't mean it isn't a good thing to do. Severe stress is a medical condition that if left untreated creates more medical conditions.

Brad
 
Nov 11, 2008 at 4:57 AM Post #8 of 30
I've had good luck with Valerian.

More helpful in the long-term, though, was a regimen of: regular exercise + progressive muscle relaxation + talking about my concerns.
 
Nov 12, 2008 at 12:22 AM Post #11 of 30
Hot showers, or heating pad applied to the lower back. Otherwise you could get some Relax-all herbal supplement at The Vitamin Shoppe or GNC. It contains phenibut, which is used by weight lifters to relax after painful workouts.
 
Nov 12, 2008 at 12:35 AM Post #12 of 30
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Don't medicate your problems. Work them out.


Some people have neurochemical dysfunctions that can easily and frequently trap them in a feedback loop where working out problems is impossible - or at the very least highly unlikely.
 
Nov 12, 2008 at 12:55 AM Post #13 of 30
There's a Homeopathic remedy I used a bunch of years back with decent results, called Calms Forte (or VERY similar; as mentioned, it's been years).
 
Nov 12, 2008 at 1:06 AM Post #15 of 30
I'd avoid St. John's Wort if possible. Its contraindications are many, and since it isn't regulated by the FDA, potency can easily vary, even from pill to pill within a single product. I took one capsule just to see what it would do, and suffered a minor MAOI-induced hypertensive crisis for which I had to dose myself with my mother's metoprolol. I was aware of the food and medication interactions before taking it and felt I was clear.

I'd go for L-Theanine or good Japanese green tea.

Edit: Also, if you try a natural antianxiety product and it doesn't do the trick, talk to your doctor and explain what you've tried. If you would legitimately benefit from an antianxiety medication, your doctor would be negligent not to prescribe one for you. I worked in pharmacy for a number of years, and doctors never seemed reluctant to prescribe Xanax and Ativan. They practically flew off the shelves. That said, something like yoga would certainly be a better long-term solution.
 

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