My first real headphone setup, HD580s Etys or EC3

Oct 11, 2004 at 6:49 AM Thread Starter Post #1 of 15

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Greetings. Long time reader, first time poster. I’m in the midst of assembling my first real headphone setup and was hoping for some input. The problem I have discovered is that not only is it hard find a place to audition a headphones, the available cans are not burned in and the source and amp are in question. Reading the comments in these forums has been a helpful substitute for purchasing and personally reviewing a dozen different cans. Here is the sum of my research, my current plan, and my hopes for the final product. I love to get some comments before shelling out the dough.

To describe the sound signature I’m looking, it’d be similar to my loudspeakers (B&W DM 640 + sub). Accurate mids, subdued but detailed highs that are easy to listen to all day long, with solid bass that extends quite low. I wouldn’t say I’m a bass head, but I’d definitely miss it if the bass was anemic. As for headphones, I don’t have much experience. However, I recently purchased the Koss Portapros just to get my feet wet. I really like the bass. But like others have noted, the mids are a bit lacking and the highs can be a bit abrasive. I’ve tried a friend’s Senn PX 200s. To my ears the bass is, well too anemic. The mids and highs are great. But after some listening, my ears start to hurt. I don’t have that problem with the Portapro’s even with their “shattering glass” highs.

Originally I was considering the Ety 4p. But after much reading (here), it sounds as if these canal phones would lack the bass and warmth I’m looking for. Next, I looked at the Shure E3C which may still be a good option. I’m not totally sold on the canal phone idea. I’ve never tried them and wonder if I could get past the learning curve. I originally thought they’d be a good all around solution for all my listening needs (walking/jogging, yard work, biking, and sitting on a couch). But now I have the Portapros which fit must of those needs (albeit at a lower quality) so I could move over to traditional large headphone for my couch listening.

For large headphones, not surprisingly the Senn HD 580s have been on my Christmas list for years. I just got done reading the thread “why did you sell your 595”. Very interesting stuff, lots of good commentary and opinions. From the sounds of it, my ears would to better with the 580s. Also, I’ve also been following the raves about the bass with the Beyer DT 770. While the bass sounds intoxicating, the issues with the mids and the extended highs make them less attractive to me.

At this point I'm leaning toward the 580s atm, primarily because the “description” of their sound is close to what I’m looking for. Although, I’m not sure how they stack up in the bass department. But from some comments, there could be cause for concern. I know there are other companies making good cans in this class, AKG, Beyer, etc. But it makes me a tad nervous to step out in faith and try one of these lesser known brands. I still haven’t given up the idea of canal phones. I’m just not sure how to raise my confidence level, short of just buying a set.

I plan on getting an amp as well. Originally I was thinking of a Headroom Total Airhead. But after reading (here,) I’m leaning toward the Supermono (reviews of production units still pending). I’m not really meaning to start an amp discussion, that’s a conversation for another forum. But as it relates to compatibility with a particular headphone, comments are welcome.

As for sources, on the go I’ll be using a Carbon Rio. On the couch, I’ll be using a dedicated Rotel CD player.

Thanks in advance!
 
Oct 11, 2004 at 7:03 AM Post #2 of 15
I had E3C's, I was so dissapointed I sent them back. They have a very rolled off highs, and the bass is acceptable but nothing special. This is to my ears, others have different opinions. http://graphs.headphone.com

If you want canal phones i'd personally go for Etys, but for home use i'd definitely get the 580s. Or 600s even.
 
Oct 11, 2004 at 8:33 AM Post #3 of 15
The Shure E3c and the Etymotic ER-4P are not a million miles apart, and it doesn't look like you're looking for that sort of sound. While many people can re-adjust to this type of sound, certainly for portable use but the HD580 does sound like a much better idea in your case.


I'd suggest the 580 + amp too.
The Shure E2c would be a low-risk way to try canalphones.
 
Oct 11, 2004 at 9:04 AM Post #4 of 15
Welcome to Head-Fi, Gregor!
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Your sonic ideal fits the HD 580 quite well. And it's certainly THE headphone in its price range with the most natural and least colored sound. My only concern is that the mentioned Xin amps won't do it justice -- you could get better sound by an adult amp like e.g. the Meier Audio Corda HA-1 MkII (although I never heard a Xin amp myself).

I was disappointed by the Shures canalphones; like others have described them the treble is rolled off and smeared to an extent that's not funny anymore. I like the ER-4 though, it certainly is on a similar level as the HD 580, but I wouldn't recommend it as main headphone at home. The contrast to speaker listening and your B&W speakers in particular would be too high.

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Oct 11, 2004 at 9:27 AM Post #5 of 15
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Originally Posted by JaZZ
My only concern is that the mentioned Xin amps won't do it justice -- you could get better sound by an adult amp like e.g. the Meier Audio Corda HA-1 MkII (although I never heard a Xin amp myself).


I know you're just expressing concern, but the SuperMono may just do the Senns justice. Very few have heard it. Those that have are pretty impressed. It's the cheapest amp I've heard that I would say so. The HA1 likely does it better, but some could disqualify the HA1 by that measure by a couple other amps too.
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And what is an "adult" amp? Big?
 
Oct 11, 2004 at 9:46 AM Post #6 of 15
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Originally Posted by blessingx
...what is an "adult" amp? Big?


One without compromises towards size, portability, power consumption...?

Maybe rather «full-blown/-grown» (for the next time)?

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Oct 11, 2004 at 1:15 PM Post #7 of 15
Stick with a proven product: I'd definitely recommend at least the HD580s with a starter amp. These headphones (along with the HD600 and HD650) give you a sonic signature which is that of smooth transition from low to mid to high, with a reasonably deep and punchy bass response, nearly totally flat midrange, and accurate, not-too-emphasized highs. My favorite from this series is the HD650, but to save money and see if you like the Sennheiser sound (which I'm inclined to say you will offhand based upon your speaker setup, which sounds similar) just get a HD580 and nice startup amp. Lots of people have had bad luck with the Shures, and there are problems imho with the way Ety headphones handle the highs because they are canalphones (they sound tizzy even on the ER-4S with a $900 amp). Both etys and senns have great midrange, its just the senns sound better on the bottom and top end.

I found the DT770 to have a boosted high end and bottom end with recessed midrange. It's one of the most colored headphones I've ever heard, but it's great for gaming because of its analytical properties (althuogh I prefer the HD650 to it for gaming).

Cheers,
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Oct 11, 2004 at 2:59 PM Post #8 of 15
I will stick up for the E3s and say that once you have the fit right they can sound very good - it took me MONTHS to get to that point, I have to wear them deeper and at a different angle than what Shure's instructions suggest.

But still, unless you need the portability and isolation, there's no reason to choose E3s over 580s, for stationary use the 580 is simply a better headphone.
 
Oct 11, 2004 at 3:13 PM Post #9 of 15
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Originally Posted by Earwax
I will stick up for the E3s and say theat once you have the fit right they can sound very good - it took me MONTHS to get to that point, I have to wear them deeper and at a different angle than what Shure's instructions suggest.

But still, unless you need the portability and isolation, there's no reason to choose E3s over 580s, for stationary use the 580 is simply a better headphone.




i'll have to say the say the same for my er4p's
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it took me almost 2 months to get the er4p's properly seated and broken into. but i have to say, the er4p's require a bit of juice to be able to make them shine. a source without some sort of amp won't do these headphones justice
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Oct 11, 2004 at 7:37 PM Post #10 of 15
Thanks for all the replys. It sounds like the 580s are the way to go. I also like the idea of using the E2C to see if I can get into the canal movement. Now theres only one question left, which amp. But that question will have to wait for another thread in another forum. I think I'll wait until the Supermono impressions come out....
 
Nov 6, 2004 at 8:52 AM Post #11 of 15
The HD 580s finally arrived today. Which, by coincendence happens to be my birthday
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I'm burning them in on my head now
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The sound is actually very similar to my B&Ws. THe mids and highs are very nice. The words transparent and sound stage have new meaning. One complaint though, the bass is not quite as impressive as I'd hoped. I'm running them out of my headphone jack. I suspect the bass will get fuller and more punchy with a good burn in and decent headphone amp. At least I'm hoping....
 
Nov 6, 2004 at 11:27 AM Post #14 of 15
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I suspect the bass will get fuller and more punchy with a good burn in and decent headphone amp.


You are correct. In fact, the bass is what improves most with amplification.
However, the bass will never be more pronounced than the midrange on the HD580, so don't expect it to "stand out" as with visceral bass on a subwoofer.
 
Nov 6, 2004 at 12:22 PM Post #15 of 15
"bass from a headphone can never compare with that of a subwoofer. my 2 cents."

If you mean the visceral feeling in the body, I agree. But a bad subwoofer has slow and diffuse bass while a good headphone system has a punchy and well defined bass.
 

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