Musical Paradise MP-301 Arrived for X-mas
Dec 25, 2009 at 3:59 AM Thread Starter Post #1 of 9

wmacky

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I snagged one of these after reading the review here. I wasn't sure about the looks, but seeing it in the flesh, i'm digging it. Very unique, as it does look like a tiny vintage Westren Electric amp. Cool!

After a listening test, I'm liking alot of whatt i'm hearing, but not everything. Testing with only fair headphones, and original tubes, the sound is very very dynamic, and alive. I'm hearing things that i've never heard. All the instuments are distinct, and everything stands out and dazzles. This is in contrast to my other basic headphone sources which compared to the 301 sound flat, and dead.

Here's the issue. Almost all the vocals are deadly to the point of pain. Whats going on here? During soft passages the vocals are great, and so realistic. They sound Live. Then as the vocals pick up steam, they turn into a blinding glare! I'm not good at audio speak, but would describe it as Peircing, harsh, glaring. I didn't read any comments to this effect in the many from the review. Why would I have this issue? Could it be a upper midrange boost from the amp? Distortion? Headphone mismatch? The amp seems to be OK otherwise. No crackling, No obvious distortion from the rest of the music. The amp is also dead quite at full volume. I can't believe it would be a part, or wiring issue, as both channels appear the same. There's the issue of the stock tubes, but I can't believe that would change much, as the issue is really bad. To the point where I have to pull the phones off my head, or grab for the volume. (It's actually hurts a little).

The only other thing I can think of, is that the excess of available volume has me pushing the phones harder than the other cheap low volume sources I have. THis could be bringing out hidden defects in the phones. The issue is better at much lower volume. Still, it almost sounds like a upper midrange boost setting right on top of the vocals.

BTW, I do have audio generators, a THD analyzer, and an oscilloscope to test the unit if I knew what to look for. I'm new to test equipment! Also, I'll try hooking up speakers tommorow, as the real purpose for the amp, is nightstand bed time music.

This amp is so inexpensive, and looks so cool, that if I can't figure this out, i'd probally just keep it, and rewire for a different topology, as it is supposed to be P2P construction. Based on the review, I shouldn't have to do this?
 
Dec 25, 2009 at 5:16 AM Post #2 of 9
It could be that your so used to other, less resolving sources for you headphones. Which are what by the way? It would also help to know the source of your audio signal. If you combine a "bright" source with a "bright" amp, and listen through "bright" headphones, I could see this causing you vocal assault so to speak.

All that aside, congrats on a great amp.
 
Dec 26, 2009 at 4:39 AM Post #3 of 9
I guess not many bought this amp?

The other headphone amp is nothing more than the headphone jack on a HT reciever. Source is a cheap SACD player.

Upon futher listening, I now believe what i'm hearing is an early onset of distortion, that mainly affects the vocals. Much lower levels seem ok, but at the 9:00 postion trouble starts. Is the headphone output padded down, or taken directly from the normal output I wonder? It seems like a mighty low volume postion for distortion to start. At 12:00 it is full on cone destroying distortion. Would any agree that the first sign of distortion is vocal glare?
 
Dec 27, 2009 at 12:06 AM Post #4 of 9
Ok, looks like i'm on my own. I'm putting together a dummy load, and will but 301 on the scope. I want to look for clipping where the glare starts. I don't know what i'm doing, but it will be fun to learn!
 
Dec 27, 2009 at 3:26 PM Post #5 of 9
What headphones are you using? This is critical information to be able to help you.
 
Dec 27, 2009 at 8:42 PM Post #7 of 9
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What headphones are you using? This is critical information to be able to help you.


PROformance P6000

Bet you never heard of those!
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I got then on sale for $60 at a pro music shop for a home studio. They seem decent enough for the price, and are fairly neutral. No deadly vocals using other amps. However, all my other amps are not able to drive them to the level the 301 does.

I don't think it's a bad tube as both channels sound the same. The amp is also dead quite with no other issues. It's like it's working fine, but is just a crappy design. This is in conflict with the review. No mention of grating vocals!
 
Dec 28, 2009 at 1:47 AM Post #8 of 9
Interesting


I noticed one of the 6V6 tubes arcing on start up. Swapped tubes between channels, and the arc followed the tube. Now, NO filiment glow in that tube. Hmmmm.......
 
Dec 28, 2009 at 2:16 PM Post #9 of 9
Well, that sounds like a bad tube to me
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I have never had any issue with my MP301 like you've described - and I have used mine both with headphones and with speakers.

Fortunately 6V6's are widely available, so getting a new pair won't be hard.
 

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