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I want to start off this thread with a bit of background in regards to my personal DIY journey. Since about 2012 I have been what people call an "audiophile", but didn't get into tube amps until middle of 2022. Well, needless to say I got hooked on the notorious "tube sound" and now am a proud hoarder of tubes (it is a bit ridiculous tbh, :sweat_smile: ). Since I was late to the game so many of the famed tubes were already really expensive so I decided to take a different route, search for unknowns or tubes with very little information on them besides their datasheets - this ofc required adapters, a LOT of adapters which got expensive - so in order to curb adapter cost I began making them myself which to date, probably have over 100 different adapters I have made for myself.

Anyways, since I started making adapters I always had the desire to learn to design/build my own circuit/amp and I finally took the dive into the studies Feb/March of this year (2024) - for reference, my background in electrical engineering is null, I have none at all so that was my starting point, literally step 1.

I grabbed a couple books from Merlin Blencowe (thanks for the book recommendations @L0rdGwyn ), one which focused on the amplifying circuit and the other focused on the power supply. These books built my foundation of knowledge, but I also picked up a lot of other things from diyaudio.

That said, I probably learned the most from hands on experience with my prototype circuit, because when you have no formal background in electrical engineering so much of what you read in books or online, no matter how well it is explained can still be hard to grasp and it isn't fully realized/understood until you put it into practice in the real world.

Lastly, this circuit which is pretty much finalized is not any sort of copy/clone I found online - ofc, it has many similarities of any tube amp, but it's quite a bit different especially in regards to the output topology, and the output transformers being used, which are 10VA Antek toroidal PTs repurposed as OPTs, which can be done due to the parafeed output which keeps DC off of the OPTs allowing us to use non air-gapped transformers. The sound quality benefit between using air-gapped and non-air-gapped transformers in parafeed is huge from what my ears can hear - ofc, you can find a select few OPTs designed specifically for parafeed output (or probably have them custom made), but they are quite expensive, much much much more than Antek 10VA toroidal transformers cost - I am sure they sound good, but I will hold off on those as I am inclined to believe any SQ benefits wouldn't be worth the upcharge, at least not to me - but if anyone is willing to buy me a pair I will be happy to test them out for you! :xf_wink:

So, from knowing literally nothing of electrical engineering in Feb/Mar 2024 to fully building, testing and completing a stable and good sounding circuit within the span of several months, I would say I am making pretty good time. The circuit itself has been working without issues for the past 3 months on top of my desk and piece of plywood.

It is a complete rats nest for the one main reason, it is the circuit which I tested an ungodly amount of different things in, again, starting from knowing nothing - so, all of my real world testing of circuit building has been there.

Moving on to the chassis, this I saw as another daunting task - I either needed to teach myself some sort of CAD program so I could design a chassis and have it precut by a 3rd party, or get myself a drill press + needed bits and buy blank chassis and do all of the cutting/design "in-house". Well, I decided to go the drill press route - found some nice aluminum chassis' online and got to work.

Okay, enough with the preamble, here's the build

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THE AMPLIFYING CIRCUIT:

-SET parafeed HP amp

-Cascoded CCS (source) load for input stage set at 5mA

-Cascoded CCS (gyrator - constant voltage at anode, rather than current) load - voltage reference for the gyrator is 50% of B+ via simple resistive voltage divider (IME, dropping anywhere between 40-50% of B+ thru the gyrator gives good results)

-Input valve(s): x2 6J5 or x1 6SN7 - or any tubes which can operate efficiently at 5mA of plate current (6829, 6KN8, 6414, EBC33, to name a few)

-Output valves: Sockets wired for 6L6 and EL34 - gyrator loaded output allows much more freedom to tube rolling - basically can roll anything that will bias below its max dissipation of power per datasheets

-Currently I have been stuck on the amazing sound from the Svetlana 6P13S, great sounding valve imo

-Output is simple 1/4" TRS connected to a 3 way rotary dial to select between low, medium, and high impedance HPs

B+ ~440V ~495V

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THE POWER SUPPLY:

-Antek AS-2T400 - 200VA 400V

-400V dual secondaries wired in parallel which allows up to 400mA of current

-This PT has dual 6.3V secondaries for our filaments, both supporting up to 4A - one of these windings are used for input/output stages, and the other winding is used for the rectifier, which is of the 6.3V half-indirectly heated variety, EYY13.
CHANGE: I have decided to use a completely separate filament transformer for the EYY13 rectifier and paralleling the two separate 6V windings on the main PT instead, although, both do work. The reason for this change is so that I can take the VDC+ output from the CT of the separate filament transformer instead of from the rectifier tube itself. In my own testing, this is far superior in regards to keeping the amp quiet.

-EYY13 is a full wave half-indirectly heated rectifier
Rectification via hybrid full bridge using EYY13
EYY13 requires 2.5A for its heaters
400AC supply, it can rectify up to 350mA of current

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MAIN COMPONENT HIGHLIGHTS

-EIZZ 'EZ-1308A' bakelite sockets / gold plated contacts, which are very hefty as well - picked these because the socket pins/contacts on the underside are made for P2P wiring/soldering, instead of their other nice aftermarket sockets which have the pins - this will make wiring them in P2P fashion so much easier and more secure

-EIZZ Stepped Attenuator, 25k, 24 steps (although the EIZZ attenuators aren't too expensive, I have tested some very inexpensive SMD stepped attenuators which sound very good - definitely eye opening - but, the build quality of the EIZZ is much better)

-Jupiter 0.47uF coupling caps (I have tested mass prod / new prod caps in this position, and many of them are very good, and IMHO, to the point where paying the upcharge on audiophile caps makes very little sense to me now)

-'NOS' Sprague 10uF Capacitor 400V DC + 1uF MBGP PIO Soviet cap (paralleled) serving as parafeed coupling cap

-10VA Antek toroidal PT repurposed as OPTs (specifics below)
High Impedance HPs (200-400 ohm) - AN-0115 - 10VA 15V
Medium Impedance HPs (80-150 ohm) - AN-0109 - 10VA 9V
Low Impedance HPs (20-80 ohm) - AN-0106 - 10VA 6V

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TESTING EQUIPMENT

Quant Asylum QA403 with DIY dummy loads
Standard DMM

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CURRENT PROGRESS

First, here are a couple measurements taken from the QA403 (granted, this circuit is right next to a monitor and laptop, so the noise measurements I would think could get better once built within the chassis, and or, measured away from these other devices).

That said, I am not 100% sure if the noise measurements are that good either, maybe someone else can tell me.

Frequency Response of both channels

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Left channel noise at ~1mW into 300ohm load (right channel is very close to the same)

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I will spare pictures of the current rats nest, because it look's terrible 😂 - if anyone really wants to see it, let me know and I will share a picture, but ofc, it will look nothing like that once built within the chassis.

There may be one small hiccup to this current chassis design which another friendly DIY'er here pointed out to me @carlman14 , but won't know for sure until its all built inside the chassis, which is the EYY13 rectifier may be placed too close to the 6SN7 input socket and induce some hum, but again, I won't know if that is an issue until the circuit is in - I did buy a few of these chassis', so if needed I can start over.

Here is a progression of the chassis being built out

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FYI: I do not consider myself an expert in any way shape or form - I haven't even been doing this for a year yet, so if anyone more knowledgeable sees something that is very wrong, please tell me :sweat_smile:

More to come, including a schematic of the amplifying circuit.
 
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Nov 15, 2024 at 6:41 PM Post #2 of 372
Well yesterday I was visiting my grandparents and was in their attic to grab something for them and decided to take a peak around, and went into this small room way in the back and came across a Sansui 2000X receiver. From what I could tell, it must've been sitting on the floor under a few records for quite some time, as there was a good layer of dust that was built up on it.

To put it bluntly, I know little to nothing about vintage receivers but ofc with the hobby I am in, it very much piqued my interest, so I asked my grandparents about it and they said I could have it if I wanted it, which I happily accepted!

Got it home and opened it up to take a look inside before trying to plug it in and power it on, because who knows how long its been since its been used. Not surprisingly, it was very dusty inside, and a small aux adapter of some kind that someone must've dropped inside the chassis at some point on accident that needed to come out.

Here it was it looked like when I first opened it up.

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At this point, I took a bit of time to clean it up with a small powered air cleaner and got it looking quite nice within. And ofc, removed the aux adapter I found rattling inside, and it came out looking like so. One of the large electrolytics looks suspect, so I may just end up replacing those all at some point.


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At this point, felt a lot better about trying to power it on, so placed it back into its wooden frame, plugged in the standard non-grounded plug and pressed the power button, and we have power, and it looks fantastic! I shall actually give it a listen to see if it still works soon, or if there are issues such as static in either channels, or anything else, but hopefully it is still in working order.



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I did a bit of reading up on this specific model, and its close siblings, the Sansui 800 - 5000 and I guess this amp is pretty highly regarded and is said to have tube like sound qualities to it, which would be just perfect for me since tube amps are what I exclusively use at the moment, One of my first thoughts though, was preamping it with a tube amp, which is something I am definitely going to try.

Anyways, thought I would share since to me this is an awesome find and cant wait to use it, whether that means it is currently is working order, or if I need to restore it first, either way I am super happy that I have acquired this receiver and looking forward to hearing it.
 
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Nov 15, 2024 at 6:56 PM Post #5 of 372
I want to start off this thread with a bit of background in regards to my personal DIY journey. Since about 2012 I have been what people call an "audiophile", but didn't get into tube amps until middle of 2022. Well, needless to say I got hooked on the notorious "tube sound" and now am a proud hoarder of tubes (it is a bit ridiculous tbh, :sweat_smile: ). Since I was late to the game so many of the famed tubes were already really expensive so I decided to take a different route, search for unknowns or tubes with very little information on them besides their datasheets - this ofc required adapters, a LOT of adapters which got expensive - so in order to curb adapter cost I began making them myself which to date, probably have over 100 different adapters I have made for myself.

Anyways, since I started making adapters I always had the desire to learn to design/build my own circuit/amp and I finally took the dive into the studies Feb/March of this year (2024) - for reference, my background in electrical engineering is null, I have none at all so that was my starting point, literally step 1.

I grabbed a couple books from Merlin Blencowe (thanks for the book recommendations @L0rdGwyn ), one which focused on the amplifying circuit and the other focused on the power supply. These books built my foundation of knowledge, but I also picked up a lot of other things from diyaudio.

That said, I probably learned the most from hands on experience with my prototype circuit, because when you have no formal background in electrical engineering so much of what you read in books or online, no matter how well it is explained can still be hard to grasp and it isn't fully realized/understood until you put it into practice in the real world.

Lastly, this circuit which is pretty much finalized is not any sort of copy/clone I found online - ofc, it has many similarities of any tube amp, but it's quite a bit different especially in regards to the output topology, and the output transformers being used, which are 10VA Antek toroidal PTs repurposed as OPTs, which can be done due to the parafeed output which keeps DC off of the OPTs allowing us to use non air-gapped transformers. The sound quality benefit between using air-gapped and non-air-gapped transformers in parafeed is huge from what my ears can hear - ofc, you can find a select few OPTs designed specifically for parafeed output (or probably have them custom made), but they are quite expensive, much much much more than Antek 10VA toroidal transformers cost - I am sure they sound good, but I will hold off on those as I am inclined to believe any SQ benefits wouldn't be worth the upcharge, at least not to me - but if anyone is willing to buy me a pair I will be happy to test them out for you! :xf_wink:

So, from knowing literally nothing of electrical engineering in Feb/Mar 2024 to fully building, testing and completing a stable and good sounding circuit within the span of several months, I would say I am making pretty good time. The circuit itself has been working without issues for the past 3 months on top of my desk and piece of plywood.

It is a complete rats nest for the one main reason, it is the circuit which I tested an ungodly amount of different things in, again, starting from knowing nothing - so, all of my real world testing of circuit building has been there.

Moving on to the chassis, this I saw as another daunting task - I either needed to teach myself some sort of CAD program so I could design a chassis and have it precut by a 3rd party, or get myself a drill press + needed bits and buy blank chassis and do all of the cutting/design "in-house". Well, I decided to go the drill press route - found some nice aluminum chassis' online and got to work.

Okay, enough with the preamble, here's the build

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

THE AMPLIFYING CIRCUIT:

-SET parafeed HP amp

-Cascoded CCS (source) load for input stage set at 5mA

-Cascoded CCS (gyrator - constant voltage at anode, rather than current) load - voltage reference for the gyrator is 50% of B+ via simple resistive voltage divider (IME, dropping anywhere between 40-50% of B+ thru the gyrator gives good results)

-Input valve(s): x2 6J5 or x1 6SN7 - or any tubes which can operate efficiently at 5mA of plate current (6829, 6KN8, 6414, EBC33, to name a few)

-Output valves: Sockets wired for 6L6 and EL34 - gyrator loaded output allows much more freedom to tube rolling - basically can roll anything that will bias below its max dissipation of power per datasheets

-Currently I have been stuck on the amazing sound from the Svetlana 6P13S, great sounding valve imo

-Output is simple 1/4" TRS connected to a 3 way rotary dial to select between low, medium, and high impedance HPs

B+ ~440V

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

THE POWER SUPPLY:

-Antek AS-2T400 - 200VA 400V

-400V dual secondaries wired in parallel which allows up to 400mA of current

-This PT has dual 6.3V secondaries for our filaments, both supporting up to 4A - one of these windings are used for input/output stages, and the other winding is used for the rectifier, which is of the 6.3V half-indirectly heated variety, EYY13.

-EYY13 is a full wave half-indirectly heated rectifier
Rectification via hybrid full bridge using EYY13
EYY13 requires 2.5A for its heaters
400AC supply, it can rectify up to 350mA of current

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

MAIN COMPONENT HIGHLIGHTS

-EIZZ 'EZ-1308A' bakelite sockets / gold plated contacts, which are very hefty as well - picked these because the socket pins/contacts on the underside are made for P2P wiring/soldering, instead of their other nice aftermarket sockets which have the pins - this will make wiring them in P2P fashion so much easier and more secure

-EIZZ Stepped Attenuator, 25k, 24 steps (although the EIZZ attenuators aren't too expensive, I have tested some very inexpensive SMD stepped attenuators which sound very good - definitely eye opening - but, the build quality of the EIZZ is much better)

-Jupiter 0.47uF coupling caps (I have tested mass prod / new prod caps in this position, and many of them are very good, and IMHO, to the point where paying the upcharge on audiophile caps makes very little sense to me now)

-'NOS' Sprague 10uF Capacitor 400V DC + 1uF MBGP PIO Soviet cap (paralleled) serving as parafeed coupling cap

-10VA Antek toroidal PT repurposed as OPTs (specifics below)
High Impedance HPs (200-400 ohm) - AN-0130 - 10VA 30V
Medium Impedance HPs (80-150 ohm) - AN-0109 - 10VA 9V
Low Impedance HPs (20-80 ohm) - AN-0106 - 10VA 6V

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

TESTING EQUIPMENT

Quant Asylum QA403 with DIY dummy loads
Standard DMM

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

CURRENT PROGRESS

First, here are a couple measurements taken from the QA403 (granted, this circuit is right next to a monitor and laptop, so the noise measurements I would think could get better once built within the chassis, and or, measured away from these other devices).

That said, I am not 100% sure if the noise measurements are that good either, maybe someone else can tell me.

Frequency Response of the left channel (right channel looks nearly identical)

1731713896784.png


Left channel noise at ~1mW into 300ohm load (right channel is very close to the same)

1731713941613.png

I will spare pictures of the current rats nest, because it look's terrible 😂 - if anyone really wants to see it, let me know and I will share a picture, but ofc, it will look nothing like that once built within the chassis.

There may be one small hiccup to this current chassis design which another friendly DIY'er here pointed out to me @carlman14 , but won't know for sure until its all built inside the chassis, which is the EYY13 rectifier may be placed too close to the 6SN7 input socket and induce some hum, but again, I won't know if that is an issue until the circuit is in - I did buy a few of these chassis', so if needed I can start over.

Here is a progression of the chassis being built out

1731713447232.png
1731713458109.png
1731713468301.png
1731713519608.png

1731713127102.png

1731713138600.png



FYI: I do not consider myself an expert in anyway shape or form - I haven't even been doing this for a year yet, so if anyone more knowledgeable sees something that is very wrong, please tell me :sweat_smile:

More to come, including a schematic of the amplifying circuit.

Kudos to your efforts and your in-home alligator (clip) sanctuary!

Like to see in-progress 'sanctuary' build pics. Bringing rat's nest chaos into sonic purity is DIY-magic.

Have you considered/rejected EL86 for output?
 
Nov 15, 2024 at 7:15 PM Post #7 of 372
Kudos to your efforts and your in-home alligator (clip) sanctuary!

Like to see in-progress 'sanctuary' build pics. Bringing rat's nest chaos into sonic purity is DIY-magic.

Have you considered/rejected EL86 for output?
Thanks! Here are some pictures of how the rat's nest has evolved over this time :joy:

Started out as a small and not too bad looking nest
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And grabbed a current picture for you, although it's powered off atm


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The EL86 actually works quite well in the current circuit with proper adapter - EL86 is an excellent sounding output tube imo.
 
Nov 15, 2024 at 11:20 PM Post #8 of 372
Thanks! Here are some pictures of how the rat's nest has evolved over this time :joy:

Started out as a small and not too bad looking nest
1731715825753.jpeg

1731715837740.jpeg

1731715849310.jpeg

1731715859511.jpeg


And grabbed a current picture for you, although it's powered off atm


1731716071701.jpeg


The EL86 actually works quite well in the current circuit with proper adapter - EL86 is an excellent sounding output tube imo.
Awesome image progression! More clutter makes everything sound better.

Happy to hear your design can use the EL86. Not happy it requires an adapter, rather than a different application of alligator clips and terminal blocks.

Also noticed you had some windows open during the summer. Did the wind blow in some solid sand particles that contaminated the circuit board? :ksc75smile:
 
Nov 16, 2024 at 3:29 AM Post #9 of 372
The EL86 actually works quite well in the current circuit with proper adapter - EL86 is an excellent sounding output tube imo.
Half B+ of 440V means your input and output stage plate voltages are 220V? I had here problems with older types of EL86 (Mullard D-getter) at 250V, I guess the tube does not like to go upper than 200V so this is why I ask. It started to act like crazy on the tester, short and stuff. I put it at 200V and all went fine. If you look at "typical operation" they say 170V and 70mA. I guess 200V and 50mA could be a sweet spot. 200V would also be fine for other "lower ratings" tubes which sound good.

Also, 220V plate on input means "buh bye" ECC88 or EC88 which are some excellent sounding tubes. Also 6SL7 with 1W might exceed the limit.

Have you tested EL36, S11E12 and other high current tubes in output stage? I think this CCS biasing is the best way for these and not fixed grid bias like I have.
 
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Nov 16, 2024 at 3:30 PM Post #13 of 372
Half B+ of 440V means your input and output stage plate voltages are 220V? I had here problems with older types of EL86 (Mullard D-getter) at 250V, I guess the tube does not like to go upper than 200V so this is why I ask. It started to act like crazy on the tester, short and stuff. I put it at 200V and all went fine. If you look at "typical operation" they say 170V and 70mA. I guess 200V and 50mA could be a sweet spot. 200V would also be fine for other "lower ratings" tubes which sound good.

Also, 220V plate on input means "buh bye" ECC88 or EC88 which are some excellent sounding tubes. Also 6SL7 with 1W might exceed the limit.
The input stage is using CCS set to 5mA and not gyrators, and has another RC stage dropping a bit more voltage so there is less voltage at the plates there, but yes, the 6SL7 would not work in this specific build - ofc, one could do many things to allow such input tubes such as selectable/variable loads via switch/dial, or use gyrator as the load, or if one wanted to run just low current input tubes like 6SL7 use a CCS set to 1.5-2mA.
 
Nov 16, 2024 at 3:40 PM Post #14 of 372
Have you tested EL36, S11E12 and other high current tubes in output stage? I think this CCS biasing is the best way for these and not fixed grid bias like I have.
I have tested and this circuit can run EL36 no problem- usually biases at around 70-75mA, but haven't got around to the S11E12 yet, but planning on testing those on Monday.
 
Nov 18, 2024 at 9:43 PM Post #15 of 372
So I got a bit more done tonight, including the amplifier feet, and holes drilled on each side panel for all 3 pairs of 10VA toroidal OPTs.

What's left - terminal strip mounting holes, ventilation holes (which I am still debating just how to do these nicely), front panel holes for power button, impedance rotary dial, stepped attenuator and 1/4" TRS out, then it'll be time to build within.

One other addition to the amp will be a pair of these NOS Simpson meters, one for each output tube to provide the plate current of each. These specific meters are from 1953.

WITHOUT COVER
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WITH COVER
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They are going to be placed in the general areas above. Debating if I use the black cover or the brass look without it - what do you guys think?
 

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