Oh ok. Yeah I took a look at those as well. The S 815 looks pretty nice. Don't think I'd need a pre-amp (S 800) though. But yeah I'd keep them in mind if and when my Denon goes bad, though the price seems pretty high. lol I bought my Denon AVR-1612 in 2012 for about $400-$500? Still going strong. The S 815 sells for like $1600. Prob pass. lol But the SAP-201V is like $388 on UK Amazon.