khaos974
Headphoneus Supremus
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Strange that Lunatique's OP isn't in the top rated post of the last 7 days, it has 4 thumbs up while the 2nd top rated post has 3.
First, I want to comment on the whole "pro audio gear sounds too analytical" thing
Great article and I agree 100% on the fidelity and accuracy thing.
So, where did the preconception of "pro audio gear sounds too analytical" came from if it's so widespread? Do people audition "pro" gear that has lots of coloration? And what "analytical" means? Are we talking about picking up subtle flaws in the material? Or sounding too harsh or cold, meaning exaggerated high end frequencies?
Lunatique: Sorry if this was already said (I haven't read all of this thread yet), but I have a question. You referred to the acoustics of your room being important. How does this matter for headphones? Isn't the only important thing just it being quiet around you for open headphones?
They'll also learn that if a recording sounds fatiguing or too bright on a neutral/accurate system, then it's the recording that's the problem, not the system. If you try to remedy the recording's problem by using a colored sounding system, then everything esle you listen to on that system will be colored! That is like purposely buying a TV that is too dark and cannot be adjusted to neutral/accurate, simply because a small percentage of movies you watch seems a bit bright to you. It's ass-backwards and illogical.
@deadlylover
Your post has a few contradictions. What if the artist approved of the mastering, or wanted it mastered a specific way? In that case, you very much are undoing what was intended and getting further away from it. Next, since it doesn't apply to all items your gear shouldn't be set to do it regardless -- that's what equalizers with a proper bypass are for though if you really need to kill some frequencies.
"Even if we somehow get a ruler flat measuring headphone (to our ears), it doesn't mean that the headphone is accurate/neutral at all because it still throws a different soundfield than a pair of speakers, so you really have to throw all that knowledge out the window as there is no reference point as to what is accurate/neutral for a headphone."
Speakers aren't accurate either in terms of positional audio. The only way to get true positional audio is binaural recordings through measurably accurate headphones. Anything a speaker produces as a soundstage is unique to the speaker and not a true product of the recording as there's no proper way to emulate it in a speaker system. We could also argue that binaural still won't be 100% accurate for positional audio since transducers themselves have dispersion characteristics, but is currently the closest we can get.
Is it okay if 99% of my 'recordings' are very bright and fatiguing?
Accuracy be damned, I just want to enjoy my music. There are no recording engineers in the stuff I listen to, so I like to pretend it's my job to help them along the way with my coloured gear. And no offense, but I really don't care what the recording engineer thinks or intends, I only care for what the musicians/singers intended, that being, not giving me an evisceration every time I listen, ahahah.
I'm 100% with you on your definition of neutral/accurate though. I don't think most people here use headphones as some sort of a compromise for speakers, but rather, they enjoy the unique presentation that only a headphone can deliver, even though music is generally 'made' for speakers. So neutral/accurate is now some kind of 'ideal' that some headphone users strive for, as they know in their heads how something is 'supposed' to sound like through a headphone.
Even if we somehow get a ruler flat measuring headphone (to our ears), it doesn't mean that the headphone is accurate/neutral at all because it still throws a different soundfield than a pair of speakers, so you really have to throw all that knowledge out the window as there is no reference point as to what is accurate/neutral for a headphone.
And maybe it's because there is no holy grail for headphones, that it continues to draw quite a number of people into this hobby, and continues to lead some people down a neverending and usually expensive road. Headphones are just so personal that you are almost guaranteed to find something that sounds right for your ears
I remember taking your EQ curves out for a spin with some Isone Pro as well, but I didn't really understand the gravity of what I was hearing at the time (something neutral!). I thought it was really cool how it could mimic speakers, but at the end of the day, I'm wearing headphones for a reason. I'll promise to give it another shot if I should ever mature (doubt it =P) as a music listener and finally appreciate what's on the recording and how it should sound like. But until then, west side for life man, I'm the boss here, coloured all the way.
Two ruler flat measuring speakers from different makers should sound more or less exactly the same, but isn't it funny how there are no two same sounding headphones from different makers?
Large amount of sense