might downgrade from d7000 to d2000
May 16, 2009 at 3:44 AM Thread Starter Post #1 of 20

j2kei

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so due to financial issues, i am in a debate of whether to selling my d7000 and getting a d2000, or keep the d7000. i feel the d7000 is a little too boomy in the bass and i just cannot justify modding such an expensive headphone. hearing that the d2000 has a plasticy sound and that the cables arent that great worries me, any thoughts from people who have listened to both? i might consider ordering a d7000 cable from markl and asking a friend to help me recable the d2000 if i do sell the d7000.
 
May 16, 2009 at 3:51 AM Post #2 of 20

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thats the good thing about this hobby u can always liquify your assets. if ur not feeling the sound of your hp by all means sell it for the one that fit your taste and financial situation. remember not to limit your self with denons though. try the senns hd 580/600 the bass is just right.for what its worth, thats coming from a person who likes the bass shy k702 and sa5000.
 
May 16, 2009 at 3:55 AM Post #3 of 20

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i thought about sennheiser hd600/650, however hearing how it has some clamping makes me wonder, especially after you put those denon on your head. the comfort is SUPERB
 
May 16, 2009 at 4:08 AM Post #4 of 20

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Haven't listened to the D7000 but I can't imagine the sound being much different between the D2000/D5000/D7000 since they all use the same drivers. The only difference between the D2000 and the D5000 is in the cable; the D7000s don't offer much over the D5000s:
Denon D7000 Deconstructed

I recently had my D2000s re-cabled and it made a big difference. Check out my review here:
My Denon D2000s recabled with Jena Labs 18G - Review/Impressions - Head-Fi: Covering Headphones, Earphones and Portable Audio

They still might be too boomy for you though.
 
May 16, 2009 at 5:45 AM Post #5 of 20

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hear any difference between d2000 and d5000/7000? like if d2000 has this plasticy sound compared to the wooden cups? as for recable, jena cable would be nice but i think i will do the denon d7000 cable as jena cable is really just too expensive.
 
May 16, 2009 at 5:59 AM Post #6 of 20

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Could you point to a post/thread where the D2000s are described as "plasticky"? I have not read anything like that before. I have listened to D2000s modded with wooden cups and did not notice much of a difference either way. But like I said, give me a link so I can check that out.

You can get wooden cups for the D2000 but they're not exactly affordable (~$250+).

If you go down to the D2000 and get a D5000/D7000 cable on it then you'll theoretically have D5000/D7000 sound. Very close, anyway.
 
May 16, 2009 at 6:25 AM Post #7 of 20

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I have owned the D7000s, D5000s, and APSv3 recabled MD2000s. I prefered the D7000s over all and feel there is a significant jump in overall refinement of the sound quality with the D7000s, and the bass in particular was the best of the bunch. It is not boomy at all in my opinion, but that is exactly how I would describe what I heard in the D5000s. The bass of the MD2000s was good, but not as good as the D7000s. The bass sounded more damped, sort of deadened in comparison, whereas with the D7000s, I find it to be more controlled, detailed, and textured.

Regardless, the Denon sound signature features a full, prominent lower end. If I were you, I would try a reversible version of the mods that are out there on your D7000s or look elsewhere. My guess is that you should try something else. You will likely lose a bit of money on the sale of the D7000s and then have to pay for a pair of D2000s and get the extra cable and still need to do some modding. If it ends up not to your liking, which would be my guess, then you will need to sell the D2000s at a bit of a loss. Maybe safer to try a different manufacturer.

I have regularly encountered headphones that I have liked very much except for one feature which has ended up being a deal-breaker. It is a bummer for sure, but you may want to keep hunting. There are lots of flavors out there and there is likely one that fits the bill for you just perfectly. Climbing down the Denon line-up where the lower models are notorious for their boomy bass seems an unwise move to me.

On the side, since it was mentioned, I have yet to see a solid official piece of evidence that states any of the Denon drivers are exactly the same. One thing for sure is that Denon markets the D7000 as using stronger magnets in the driver casing. My take on it is that the D2000/D5000s have insufficiently strong magnets to control the drivers, thus the boomy bass. The mods address the issue by damping it, but the improvements I notice in the D7000s result from better controlled drivers and the results are of higher quality, not just with the bass, but the whole sound signature. That is just speculation but the D7000s are not just D5000s with newly polished cups and a fancier cable.
 
May 16, 2009 at 7:08 AM Post #8 of 20

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To the OP,
Don't go down to the d2000. I compared the d5000 and d2000 and the d5000 was even much better sounding. Less hollow mids and less dry sounding. How much more the d7000 vs d2k.
 
May 16, 2009 at 8:18 AM Post #9 of 20

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I definitely agree with Gu Sensei
After A/B-ing the D7000 and D5000 at the Tokyo headphone show recently, the D7000s offered a huge improvement in refinement and lower frequencies.
I found the highs on my recabled D2000s to sound a little harsh at times, especially with certain vocals or drum snares, and the mids are recessed compared to the D7000. The D7000s very nicely smoothed out the highs, and gave a much more enjoyable listening experience
 
May 16, 2009 at 2:44 PM Post #10 of 20

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Originally Posted by boozcool /img/forum/go_quote.gif
I definitely agree with Gu Sensei
After A/B-ing the D7000 and D5000 at the Tokyo headphone show recently, the D7000s offered a huge improvement in refinement and lower frequencies.
I found the highs on my recabled D2000s to sound a little harsh at times, especially with certain vocals or drum snares, and the mids are recessed compared to the D7000. The D7000s very nicely smoothed out the highs, and gave a much more enjoyable listening experience



I assume yours are not modded but just recabled?
 
May 16, 2009 at 3:51 PM Post #12 of 20

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Not modded, just recabled. Would the mod's improve the shortcomings mentioned?


It should be. It really helps the midrange to be more forward. The occasional harsh high you mention still persists somewhat though so I'd conclude that it's the driver's fault and no amount of modding will ever fix that.

It's a total mystery though because it only happens with some tracks.
 
May 16, 2009 at 4:47 PM Post #13 of 20

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Originally Posted by j2kei /img/forum/go_quote.gif
i thought about sennheiser hd600/650, however hearing how it has some clamping makes me wonder, especially after you put those denon on your head. the comfort is SUPERB


you can always stretch them out, give it a week or two of headtime. my 580s is one of my most comfortable headphones.
 
May 16, 2009 at 5:07 PM Post #14 of 20

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Originally Posted by Charles_1985 /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Haven't listened to the D7000 but I can't imagine the sound being much different between the D2000/D5000/D7000 since they all use the same drivers.


Incorrect. The D7000 uses different drivers then the D2000/D5000.

People need to stop spreading false information. It doesn't do the community good to be misinformed.
 
May 16, 2009 at 5:17 PM Post #15 of 20

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Originally Posted by Bojamijams /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Incorrect. The D7000 uses different drivers then the D2000/D5000.

People need to stop spreading false information. It doesn't do the community good to be misinformed.



i just read a thread that descrie the simmlarities and diffs of the Ds. the thread indicates that they have the same drivers......its just that the d7000 have some component that gives it 11.4% more power or somethin like that.

here you go
http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f4/var...-d7000-410582/
 

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