My ears agree with your impressions. I will say that I've been able to nudge Utopia towards my ideal sig/tonality more than I was able to move Empy's sig (via changes in my upstream chain, DAC, amp, tubes, cables). R2R DAC, Liquid Platinum amp, Siemens CCa tubes and Laz Ref cable combine to 'soften' Utopia a bit. Brimar CV-2492 tubes in LP (or SS amp) combined with silver cable and 9038-based Sonica DAC didn't move Empy as much. Honestly, I like the warm/lush sound of Empy, and the amount of detail presented is surprising for cans with that amount of warmth. However, I find the mid-bass a bit much on some tracks.