Averages on the bottom for these flagship level headphones. This is all I was saying before you started in. Generally speaking orthos are hindered by their heavier magnetic structures...par for the course. #facts Not all orthos are heavier, but the histograms support the added weight due to the magnetic structures used in their drivers. Again, do you NOT acknowledge this? And there is more to comfort (as I mentioned previously and you conveniently missed) than the weight, but the design of the headband is a big player too. As I mentioned, the Empyreans are heavier than 3/4 dynamic headphones here, but still quite a bit more comfortable and it's not even close.