[LCMusicLover]

Guys, orthos are heavy...they use large magnetic structures...its the nature of the beast if you want a strong magnetic field to control the drivers, its par for the course.

Yes, but...

Susvara— 450 grams
HEKv2 — 420 grams
Arya — 404 grams
Oppo PM-1,2,3 — all under 400 grams
Ananda — 399 grams
Diana — 330 grams
Ether 2 — 290 grams

So maybe it’s ‘Only orthos made by Audeze or people who used to work there or which have 1266 in their name are heavy.’ OK, D8000 is about 500 grams, so the list gets longer.

But I think we can say that not all planars are heavy.

 

[mixman]

Guys, orthos are heavy...they use large magnetic structures...its the nature of the beast if you want a strong magnetic field to control the drivers, its par for the course.

See LCMusiclover's post above. Also with the LCD 24 Audeze has managed to get the weight down to 540grams, so they are getting there. My point being if you are coming out with a new design address the key problems of the design you are taking your inspiration from.

 

[up late]

Yes, but...

Susvara— 450 grams
HEKv2 — 420 grams
Arya — 404 grams
Oppo PM-1,2,3 — all under 400 grams
Ananda — 399 grams
Diana — 330 grams
Ether 2 — 290 grams

So maybe it’s ‘Only orthos made by Audeze or people who used to work there or which have 1266 in their name are heavy.’ OK, D8000 is about 500 grams, so the list gets longer.

But I think we can say that not all planars are heavy.

and there's the empyrean itself, which weighs 430 grams

 

[kid vic]

Yes, but...

Susvara— 450 grams
HEKv2 — 420 grams
Arya — 404 grams
Oppo PM-1,2,3 — all under 400 grams
Ananda — 399 grams
Diana — 330 grams
Ether 2 — 290 grams

So maybe it’s ‘Only orthos made by Audeze or people who used to work there or which have 1266 in their name are heavy.’ OK, D8000 is about 500 grams, so the list gets longer.

But I think we can say that not all planars are heavy.

Plus Fostexs Orthos and even the old Yamaha amd Sansui orthos manage to come in under 500.

 

[betula]

Yes, but...

Susvara— 450 grams
HEKv2 — 420 grams
Arya — 404 grams
Oppo PM-1,2,3 — all under 400 grams
Ananda — 399 grams
Diana — 330 grams
Ether 2 — 290 grams

So maybe it’s ‘Only orthos made by Audeze or people who used to work there or which have 1266 in their name are heavy.’ OK, D8000 is about 500 grams, so the list gets longer.

But I think we can say that not all planars are heavy.

I agree, that no headphone should weight more than 500g. The lightest LCDs are 540g (LCD2C, LCD24) but they are usually around 600g, with the LCD4 at the top over 700g. Still, as far as I know they all have larger transducers than any other planars which must be responsible for that gloriously impactful bass which is unique to Audeze. Something for something I guess.
Ether2's transducer is about half the size of Audeze.

As far as I know only the Empyrean's transducer size is on Audeze level (Hifiman comes close), although the structure is different/unique. To my ears probably this made the Empyrean's bass as close to Audeze bass as possible, while the openness and airiness is as close to HEKV2 as possible. The best of both worlds in a comfortable 430g package. IMO the best planar deal out there at the moment.

 

[518141]

... Also with the LCD 24 Audeze has managed to get the weight down to 540grams, so they are getting there...

I´m pretty sure that Audeze changed the magnetic structure of the lcd24 in comparison to the lcd4 to save weight. But I doubt that you get the same results out of the lcd24 as with lcd4. It´s seems to me to be a technical compromise.

 

[betula]

I´m pretty sure that Audeze changed the magnetic structure of the lcd24 in comparison to the lcd4 to save weight. But I doubt that you get the same results out of the lcd24 as with lcd4. It´s seems to me to be a technical compromise.

Reviews say the 24 is a bit bass light compared to the 4.

 

[518141]

Reviews say the 24 is a bit bass light compared to the 4.

Interesting, I didn`t know that. I`ve just compared the technical specs. The drivers have the same size (106mm) and uses the same magnet type (neodymium n50) and both have fazor. Headband is the same and the housing of the lcd24 seems to be the one of the mx4.
The weight difference between lcd24 and lcd4 is 200g, that`s a lot. Audeze have reduced the magnets in the lcd24.

 

[mixman]

I´m pretty sure that Audeze changed the magnetic structure of the lcd24 in comparison to the lcd4 to save weight. But I doubt that you get the same results out of the lcd24 as with lcd4. It´s seems to me to be a technical compromise.

Yes, the compromise was that the 24 seems to have less bass impact. They seem to have given it a more neutral sound than the 4/4z.

 

[Hifiearspeakers]

Yes, the compromise was that the 24 seems to have less bass impact. They seem to have given it a more neutral sound than the 4/4z.

forget that. Messing with LCD 4/4Z bass is the wrong direction.

 

[mixman]

forget that. Messing with LCD 4/4Z bass is the wrong direction.

Yeah I was a disappointed about hearing that. Hell that for me the bass is the main saving grace for the 4/4z. I suspect it was the compromise they had to make going from double sided magnet to single sided magnet.

 

[CaptainFantastic]

Yeah I was a disappointed about hearing that. Hell that for me the bass is the main saving grace for the 4/4z. I suspect it was the compromise they had to make going from double sided magnet to single sided magnet.

I haven't heard the 24, but I have owned the MX4 for a year now. It is described as having less bass than the 4/4z and more neutral. But have you heard it? The bass is absolutely excellent, it is full of impact. I can't understand why someone would want MORE bass than that. My point is, if the 24 is like the MX4, don't worry about the bass. Give either one a try.

 

[mixman]

I haven't heard the 24, but I have owned the MX4 for a year now. It is described as having less bass than the 4/4z and more neutral. But have you heard it? The bass is absolutely excellent, it is full of impact. I can't understand why someone would want MORE bass than that. My point is, if the 24 is like the MX4, don't worry about the bass. Give either one a try.

Yes, I have heard the MX4, unfortunately it's my least favorite LCD. Too much of an emphasis on midrange, weird tonal character. Not a fan, despite the fact they are generally bargains now.

 

[MacedonianHero]

Yes, but...

Susvara— 450 grams
HEKv2 — 420 grams
Arya — 404 grams
Oppo PM-1,2,3 — all under 400 grams
Ananda — 399 grams
Diana — 330 grams
Ether 2 — 290 grams

So maybe it’s ‘Only orthos made by Audeze or people who used to work there or which have 1266 in their name are heavy.’ OK, D8000 is about 500 grams, so the list gets longer.

But I think we can say that not all planars are heavy.

Several of those headphones are single sided magnets...so yeah...double sided orthos require double the magnets (and in theory double the control; in theory). The Diana's were set out as portables from their design, so they don't really count either. So another 100g-ish or so isn't much IMO. Really guys, have you held 100g (for our non-metric members)? Maybe some neck exercises?

To help get things back on track, the Empyreans are the most comfortable headphones I've had on my head...and still not the lightest. So there are things manufacturers can do to improve things.

 

[MacedonianHero]

I was born in 1995, literally I wouldn't have any idea

I graduated university in 1995.