[fish1050]

there is popular russian joke, I'll try to translate it.
— Oh, I don't like Pavarotti, he totally can't sing
— Have you heard him?
— No, but my neighbor sang me his songs

That's the same case, don't judge anything without trying. But anyway, as I've said before, you're already biased, and you'll never convince you was wrong


of course I do. but I have no idea, how firmware can fix poor usability (1.5" screen is a menace) and average sound

I said -People I know and trust have heard the M0 and like how it sounds and don't seem to have an issue with the small screen. It is hard to make a super portable DAP with a big screen. I have heard Shanling, Cayin, and several Fiio DAP's so I have given Fiio plenty of chances to impress me and still waiting.

I said - big screen and hardware buttons, two things M0 will never be. Also two things that keep it from being truly portable. The reason Shanling chose to go the Nano size route is the sound gap between smartphones and DAP's is shrinking. Most people have smartphones and don't want to carry around another large device like myself. 120 pages on the Shanling M0 forum vs 25 for the M7 which came out months before shows where the interest lies as far as DAP's go. Am I expecting the M0 to be perfect for $139.00, no I don't but will it be usable for my daily commute I am sure it will be. An M7 likely needing an amp for lack of power does not scream portable to me.

and battery life. and many other things too

I said - *Price M7 $269 CDN, M0 $139 CDN
*Portability M7 vs M0
*Battery life 20 hours vs 15 hours - Not to mention you said earlier not to trust the specs so are these figure even accurate?
*Power 40 mW vs 80 mW - advantage M0 even if it isn't twice as powerful
*LDAC both offer it
*USB DAC functionality - M0 has it M7 doesn't
FM Radio - M7 has it, M0 doesn't - don't need it and reports are it is pretty weak
*Line Out - both have it
Bigger screen - M7 has it but makes it less portable
*replaygain - neither have it currently

Shanling 4 wins, 1 loss, 2 ties - 1 undetermined = Winner for me Shanling M0

Can you be more specific about "many others" cause I am not seeing what these others are.

Note the * denotes the features that are important to me. I will also point out that I haven't heard the M0 either but I am willing to take a chance on a $139 DAP that fits my needs based on size and specs and has great reviews over taking a flyer on a $269 one that doesn't meet my needs regardless of how it sounds and so far has mixed reviews. Could the M7 sound better, possibly different but better is subjective based on preferences.

it's like making conclusions about sex by watching porn, instead of real sex, but anyway, even without any videos you can understand that 1.5" screen is much worse in terms of usability then 3.2", it makes a huge difference.

anyway, as I've said before, M0 is nice, but at least try to be objective: don't make false assumptions about the gear you didn't try. and don't try to bring you subjective opinion as an only objective truth. at the end, M0 is as far from perfect as M7 is, or even more

My other comments are mixed in above - I haven't said that the M7 doesn't sound good, I haven't said anything negative about the UI or usability. Everything I have said is based on the information available to me on both DAP's and prior history using DAP's from both Shanling and Fiio. As I pointed out with my list when it comes to meeting my needs the M0 does it better than the M7. I have also said that given the opportunity I will demo the M7 but having to pull the trigger sight unseen to get the pre-order deal on the M0 I went with the one that seems like a better fit for me. But in all fairness Fiio users can be just as prejudice against non-Fiio DAP's as well.

 

[Sven2015]

The display is okay, but not the best - my old samsung tablet of 2016 is much better (ALOED with more brightness and better contrast). The M7 display has problems with daylight & reflexions (too less contrast (both themes tested)... the GUI is okay, but not the best.The fonts and symbols/buttons are too small for a touch display. In many cases the app crashes while music playing and crashes again and again..... (but the files are okay).

 

[Brooko]

Here’s the weird thing - I’ve used the M7 a lot. Not one single crash. Do I have an outlier - or is it just that my files (being mostly AAC) are just more stable? Saying that though - I did test the full suite from ogg to ape to dsd- and again no issues. I read about some people having stability issues, so there must be some. But so far I’ve experienced none.

 

[KuroKitsu]

Here’s the weird thing - I’ve used the M7 a lot. Not one single crash. Do I have an outlier - or is it just that my files (being mostly AAC) are just more stable? Saying that though - I did test the full suite from ogg to ape to dsd- and again no issues. I read about some people having stability issues, so there must be some. But so far I’ve experienced none.

Could just be a lemon. But Ive been having a lot of stability issues with it myself.

I went back to the M7 after returning the A45 for various reasons. Crashing up the wazoo. 4 issues in 3 days straight of usage.
1. Left music paused and screen off for a hour, turned screen on, no lock screen, scanning utility open, SD unmounted. Rebooting the device required another force restart. Happened twice
2. Left screen off for an hour after second occurence of previous issue, turned screen on to find SD remounted and scanning finishes.
3. Turned screen off without playing music. Turn back on after an hour to find that its been playing for the last hour.

This is in addition to previous issues Ive commented about. I suppose it could be my files, my collection is about 900 lossy files (320 kbps) ID3 v2.4 tagged and embedded album art using progressive JPG. Though that chance is pretty slim since Ive been using those files across multiple devices with no issues.

I hope a FW update or 2 fixes a lot of these issues. But for the time being, Im using an attunator to my S8 and ordering a M0. Theres simply too many issues using this as a daily driver.

 

[rizki8490]

I also never had a single crash, except the first scan. I have several folders contain big number of folders, when i scanned them it got crash. So i had to find out by scanning the folder one by one. And finally i found one folder that cant be scanned, it always cause the app crashes. After all that 5000ish songs scanned, never happen a crash even once

 

[cleg]

+1 for no crash

As I pointed out with my list when it comes to meeting my needs the M0 does it better than the M7

that's what I'm talking about!

 

[Dobrescu George]

I don't think I had any crashes either so far. Only once hangup for ~3 seconds but that was when I first started it, but I think it might have been still starting or scanning something at that point.

Against M0, I actually haven't looked much into M0 yet, so it would be unfair for me to talk about it yet, but from what seems to be written above, it seems like M0 is also quite interesting. One concern I do have, before even hearing or touching M0, is that something like M7 does UI browsing and such really well, while M0 has a much smaller screen, so I am a bit concerned as to how browsable and how good M0 is with the UI part. Not the UI stability, but how usable the UI really is with that small screen. I do have an M0 coming along as well, to compare with R3 and M7, so I will write about all, but so far, without having had R3 or M0 yet, M7 is really nice for an ultra portable, and really... well... portable.

If there's any enemy device to it I am considering it will be complicated to compare to, N5ii from Cayin is more of an issue, because N5ii is somewhat close in price, but N5ii has two mSD slots, similar shape, and it has full Android and streaming...

I mean, M7 costs about 260USD now, bundled with F9SE, which is an exceptional value, while N5ii costs 370USD, but still that is a comparison I'll have to do and a place where one needs to consider the budget he has and such.

BTW, if you want to ask where you can find M7 for 260USD with F9SE, here's where I found the deal

https://www.aliexpress.com/store/pr...uch-Screen-LCD-Music/1473108_32880700522.html

 

[Sven2015]

Here’s the weird thing - I’ve used the M7 a lot. Not one single crash. Do I have an outlier - or is it just that my files (being mostly AAC) are just more stable? Saying that though - I did test the full suite from ogg to ape to dsd- and again no issues. I read about some people having stability issues, so there must be some. But so far I’ve experienced none.

In my mind, the files are not the reason. ALL my files are playing @Different devices without any probs (Squeezeboxes, other mobile devices etc..pp). The files are playable after app crash...the same files. Then the app does not crash, but crashes while playing another file.... and so on.... and so on....the app-built is not stable....
Another one is the skip back button while skipping a file. If I skip too "fast" the app crashes and the skip back button is no more skipping or no more skipping in the right direction! The files are not involved in issues like this.

 

[KuroKitsu]

In my mind, the files are not the reason. ALL my files are playing @Different devices without any probs (Squeezeboxes, other mobile devices etc..pp). The files are playable after app crash...the same files. Then the app does not crash, but crashes while playing another file.... and so on.... and so on....the app-built is not stable....
Another one is the skip back button while skipping a file. If I skip too "fast" the app crashes and the skip back button is no more skipping or no more skipping in the right direction! The files are not involved in issues like this.

Yeah, it seems like a stability issue to me or it's that my other devices can handle problematic files much better. Either way, this doesn't speak well for my first Fiio device. The hardware is great and if I had an amp, I probably be over the moon. But in this case, the software is the weak link,

 

[Sven2015]

Mostly files are original CD's decoded & FLAC's encoded by EAC with accurate stream decoding. The files are not the problem.

 

[Vocalanaesthesia]

In my mind, the files are not the reason. ALL my files are playing @Different devices without any probs (Squeezeboxes, other mobile devices etc..pp). The files are playable after app crash...the same files. Then the app does not crash, but crashes while playing another file.... and so on.... and so on....the app-built is not stable....
Another one is the skip back button while skipping a file. If I skip too "fast" the app crashes and the skip back button is no more skipping or no more skipping in the right direction! The files are not involved in issues like this.

Even I had only one crash in all these days, but my back skip key is non functional. I cannot get it to work even after rebooting. The only option left is to go back to the original firm ware and see whether it still works in that. Don't know whether I should do it though.

 

[cleg]

Even I had only one crash in all these days, but my back skip key is non functional. I cannot get it to work even after rebooting. The only option left is to go back to the original firm ware and see whether it still works in that. Don't know whether I should do it though.

I've seen this issue on my freind's M7. Factory reset solved that, and for about a month this issue has gone

 

[Brooko]

I am still yet to have a crash and the buttons work perfectly. Forward, back, scrub forward, scrub back.

 

[HiFiChris]

My take: https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/fi...x-hd-ldac-fm-radio.23118/reviews#review-20563

No crashes either.

 

[Sven2015]

.. after device start NO skip bkwd possible....the button is currently without any function! (GUI visible)

/edit
I hope the factory reset is working...