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Mad Lust Envy's Headphone Gaming Guide: (9/10/2019: Grado WH1 'The White Headphone' Added)

Discussion in 'Video Games Discussion' started by mad lust envy, Jan 17, 2011.
  1. pietcux
    Dolby Atmos or Access? Which plugin do you mean?
  2. One Man
    Been using this guide since 2013 & recently joined because I need expert advice as I have a lack of knowledge when it applies to audio.. I used to have the mixamp pro with a schiit amp connected to my PS4. I have gotten rid of both because I had quit gaming for some time due to circumstances.

    Anyways, I now want to use the Sound Blaster X7 for Dolby HP sound from PS4. Positional cues are the most important to me as well as game immersion. I lean more to the value of cues/immersion (competitive) over the (fun) factor but not if if it's fatiguing or unnatural to listen to & definitely don't like a heavy bass. I have AKG K702 Annie's with plans on getting MrSpeakers Ether Flows. I only will get an amp if it's beneficial to the setup & the type of Amp or Amp/DAC depends on the feedback I get.

    I was wondering if it would be possible/beneficial to hook up any good quality amp to the SB X7? I seen no such diagram on this guide but did see it used with the Mixamp Pro & was curious if a HP amp could be applied much the same way but w/ the SB X7.

    If it possible/beneficial to add an amp, I wanted to see if it's possible to get a balanced signal from an amp that has 2) 3 pin XLR outputs (balanced) &/or 1) 4 pin XLR output (balanced). The goal is to use those balanced output(s) along w/Annie's via 1)mini 4 pin XLR upgraded connection & w/ Ether Flow via the 2)mini 3 pin XLR connections. So in short, is it possible to get a balanced signal (XLR) from an amp hooked up to the SB X7?

    I'm under the impression of the following based on what I read. 1) I can't get Dolby sound from just any standalone Amp/DAC, as they need the DSP chip to get Dolby sound. 2)Stereo sound with a good Amp/DAC like the CMA 600i, Yulong DA9, or even higher end Amp/DAC's can't match the positional cues/immersion of Dolby HP's sound. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

    With great anticipation, I look forward to an informative response. Your help would be greatly appreciated.
    Last edited: Aug 18, 2018
  3. Evshrug
    Do I already know about it?

    Also, someone wants to read your Dekoni pad review for the HE-400, but I feel kinda bad linking them to your first post since it’s all the way at the bottom. Didn’t you post the review separately in the thread too? Got a link for that? Hah ^__^'`
  4. Evshrug

    Apple limited the iPod’s output to 16/44. I’m not going to get into the debate about whether or not higher resolutions can more accurately describe the wobbles in a sine wave, but I will say that the mastering quality of the song and quality of the DAC/amp/headphone will make a much more obvious difference in quality once you reach CD quality (16/44).

    Firstly, the X7 is already a powerful desktop amp, and not to be underestimated by itself. Plenty for all the headphones you mentioned. If you want better than that, it’s also worth considering that often you would financially be more efficient if you purchased upgrade opamps for the X7, and a few good options (Sparkos, Burson, Muse, etc) are reviewed and liked. Second, an amp can be connected to the X7 in the same way as a mixamp (by plugging into the headphone ports), or by connecting to the line-out RCA ports on the back (I don’t know if these pass along the DSP surround effect).

    Third, if you want to use a higher end DAC and subsequent audio chain, the X7 has an optical output that CAN pass along the DSP Surround effect, and is the only console-compatible, Dolby 7.1 decoding, and headphone surround processing device I am aware of (other than the $4k Smyth Realizers). By higher end, expect to spend several hundred dollars more than the price of the X7 before you hear an audible benefit in all aspects.

    Did it sound better for me to use PS4 > Creative X7 > Chord Mojo > Cavalli Liquid Carbon > XLR4 > Headphone? Yes. But I was still happy and having fun without using the extra complexity, electricity use, and desktop footprint. The X7 was a moderately superior device on it’s own.
  5. One Man
    @Evshrug. Thank you for your response. So in your opinion it's not worth adding an amp because the audio quality increase is just a fraction better? I was already checking into op-amps & that sounds like a good possibility. Would the power adapter upgrade be worthwhile?
    Last edited: Aug 18, 2018
  6. illram
    That was going to be my guess. I think they said Q4 2018 for it, too.
  7. tmaxx123
    The output isn’t limited via lightning, which is what I’m using.

    On a separate note, my he-560 sounds awesome on the x7. Takes considerably more power to push compared to the ath-a900x
  8. Mad Lust Envy Contributor
    Anyone know what to use to extract opamps? I wanna go back to the stock ones on the X7 after having replaced them with some I don't personally like ( @mbyrnes gave me some Burson v5i opamps that sounds harsh and bright to me.)

    I ended up butchering the stock ones while trying to take them out so I gotta buy a replacement set, but don't wanna ruin the Bursons just in case.

    In audio, we're playing a game of fractions as improvements. If you're already leaning towards to X7, really, it will NOT let you down. The DAC portion is really good, the amp is powerful, and if you think you need more, you can always get a better amp later.

    I say amp, because if I was going to be improve, i'd do an amp first since I'm 100% happy with the DAC. Perhaps a tube amp as an alternative to the amp in the X7.

    I wish the new Lyr wasn't so expensive.
    Last edited: Aug 18, 2018
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  9. Pairzilla
    Speaking of the x7. Is there a certain surround volume that is ideally the best sounding?
  10. x1o8x
    hi guys,

    recently bought the sennheiser gsp 300 and every time I turn the mic downwards, it seems to be unable to keep its position and it would always bottom out. even if i set it at a half way position (closer to my mouth), the mic would slowly turn downwards. while it doesnt really impact my speech volume, i find it kinda annoying. is this actually its intended design or do i have a flawed headset?
  11. tmaxx123
    I used a combo of a very small screwdriver to slowly pry up the opamps from each angle then some surgical forceps to grab them from the top and slowly wiggle them out.
    My stock ones came out without any issues.
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  12. Mad Lust Envy Contributor
    100% max out the surround. SBX has little reverb so maxing it out doesn't have any real detriments unless you want a smaller soundstage.
  13. Pairzilla
    Sweet thx
  14. thewind32
    I've seen people claim that feeding the signal through a tube amp may have negative effects on the vss (in general, not limited to X7). How true is that?
  15. Mad Lust Envy Contributor
    I've only owned the original Schiit Lyr and Schiit Vali as far as amps with tubes go. I didn't find any detriments to VSS, though the Vali 100% absolutely had a smaller soundstage compared to whatever solid state amp I had at the time. May have been an Audio GD one. But the Vali sounded so beautiful I didn't mind the soundstage being smaller. In either case, VSS makes the soundstage large anyways.

    So take what people say with a grain of salt.

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