deadlylover
Headphoneus Supremus
Thought you guys might find these results slightly interesting.
I got pretty mad bro in another thread where people claimed it was impossible for a human to distinguish between high bitrate mp3 and lossless, so I grabbed life by the balls and tried it for myself.
For these tests, LAME 3.98r was used, both tracks replaygained and tested using foobar ABX.
Stax Omega 2's used for all tests. I have a feeling these bad boys brought up all the differences into my weapons range.
No musical training, but I'm young and dumb, so that might count for something.
Results:
Lossless v 256k cbr, some kind of Japanese rock(?)
No audible compression artifacts, the differences were in the focus and dynamics of the poorly recorded vocals.
You can see me resetting quite often, I was checking different parts of the track and looking for a good spot to focus on.
320kbps, no idea what this genre is, it's kind of futuristic doof doof with female vocals.
There is a loss of detail in the hard panned low level sounds, with a LOT going on up center, so I guess the psycho compression thought I wouldn't notice. This one was pretty easy, despite not hearing any obvious compression artifact giveaways.
320kbps, more Japanese rock.
The loss of some treble energy in her vocals caused a lack of focus, especially after any high bits.
You can see me screw up big time at the start, when I thought I was imagining obvious compression artifacts. There are none =P.
320kbps, yep, more j-rock.
This one was extremely difficult because it was on nodding terms with 'well recorded'.
No compression artifact giveaways here, I had to fight to the death by locking onto the vocals. Same thing with the other tracks, it seems that the loss of some treble information gives female vocals less attack and focus.
You can see me struggle at the start because I was trying to use the drums to check for obvious compression artifacts in the cymbals, and as you can see, no luck there =P.
Well, I'm all ears for some input and suggestions. I can try a few v0's vs lossless if anyone wants, but I have a feeling it might be worse than 320kbps.
I'm not too sure how to interpret these results, there were no obvious compression artifacts like pre echo or anything like that, so I don't know if they're all killer tracks or not. It seems electronic music might be easier to tell with than rock music. I'm going to try some easy listening music to see if I'm still successful on music that isn't so 'busy'.
Perhaps the guys who claim to hear differences between mp3 and lossless aren't so crazy after all, but I'd like to see some more ABX results from the people who say that they are able to hear the differences.
I'm surprised I could pull it off, hey, maybe one day I'll be able to hear the differences between cables.
I got pretty mad bro in another thread where people claimed it was impossible for a human to distinguish between high bitrate mp3 and lossless, so I grabbed life by the balls and tried it for myself.
For these tests, LAME 3.98r was used, both tracks replaygained and tested using foobar ABX.
Stax Omega 2's used for all tests. I have a feeling these bad boys brought up all the differences into my weapons range.
No musical training, but I'm young and dumb, so that might count for something.
Results:
Lossless v 256k cbr, some kind of Japanese rock(?)
No audible compression artifacts, the differences were in the focus and dynamics of the poorly recorded vocals.
You can see me resetting quite often, I was checking different parts of the track and looking for a good spot to focus on.
foo_abx 1.3.4 report
foobar2000 v1.1.8
2011/09/29 20:30:41
File A: C:\Users\Alice\Music\祈り歌.flac
File B: C:\Users\Alice\Desktop\05 祈り歌.mp3
20:30:41 : Test started.
20:31:07 : 01/01 50.0%
20:31:31 : 02/02 25.0%
20:31:42 : 03/03 12.5%
20:31:54 : 03/04 31.3%
20:32:12 : 04/05 18.8%
20:32:51 : 05/06 10.9%
20:33:05 : 06/07 6.3%
20:33:21 : 07/08 3.5%
20:33:36 : 08/09 2.0%
20:33:59 : 08/10 5.5%
20:34:21 : 09/11 3.3%
20:34:40 : 09/12 7.3%
20:34:42 : Trial reset.
20:34:53 : 00/01 100.0%
20:34:54 : Trial reset.
20:35:03 : 00/01 100.0%
20:35:04 : Trial reset.
20:35:15 : 01/01 50.0%
20:35:43 : 01/02 75.0%
20:35:44 : Trial reset.
20:36:05 : 01/01 50.0%
20:36:12 : 02/02 25.0%
20:36:28 : 03/03 12.5%
20:36:56 : 03/04 31.3%
20:37:04 : Trial reset.
20:37:20 : 01/01 50.0%
20:37:30 : 02/02 25.0%
20:37:35 : 02/03 50.0%
20:37:43 : 03/04 31.3%
20:37:45 : Trial reset.
20:37:59 : 01/01 50.0%
20:38:18 : 01/02 75.0%
20:38:21 : Trial reset.
20:38:30 : 01/01 50.0%
20:38:40 : 02/02 25.0%
20:38:49 : 03/03 12.5%
20:38:58 : 04/04 6.3%
20:39:10 : 05/05 3.1%
20:39:28 : 06/06 1.6%
20:39:36 : 07/07 0.8%
20:39:54 : 08/08 0.4%
20:41:08 : 09/09 0.2%
20:41:21 : 10/10 0.1%
20:41:25 : Test finished.
----------
Total: 27/36 (0.2%)
foobar2000 v1.1.8
2011/09/29 20:30:41
File A: C:\Users\Alice\Music\祈り歌.flac
File B: C:\Users\Alice\Desktop\05 祈り歌.mp3
20:30:41 : Test started.
20:31:07 : 01/01 50.0%
20:31:31 : 02/02 25.0%
20:31:42 : 03/03 12.5%
20:31:54 : 03/04 31.3%
20:32:12 : 04/05 18.8%
20:32:51 : 05/06 10.9%
20:33:05 : 06/07 6.3%
20:33:21 : 07/08 3.5%
20:33:36 : 08/09 2.0%
20:33:59 : 08/10 5.5%
20:34:21 : 09/11 3.3%
20:34:40 : 09/12 7.3%
20:34:42 : Trial reset.
20:34:53 : 00/01 100.0%
20:34:54 : Trial reset.
20:35:03 : 00/01 100.0%
20:35:04 : Trial reset.
20:35:15 : 01/01 50.0%
20:35:43 : 01/02 75.0%
20:35:44 : Trial reset.
20:36:05 : 01/01 50.0%
20:36:12 : 02/02 25.0%
20:36:28 : 03/03 12.5%
20:36:56 : 03/04 31.3%
20:37:04 : Trial reset.
20:37:20 : 01/01 50.0%
20:37:30 : 02/02 25.0%
20:37:35 : 02/03 50.0%
20:37:43 : 03/04 31.3%
20:37:45 : Trial reset.
20:37:59 : 01/01 50.0%
20:38:18 : 01/02 75.0%
20:38:21 : Trial reset.
20:38:30 : 01/01 50.0%
20:38:40 : 02/02 25.0%
20:38:49 : 03/03 12.5%
20:38:58 : 04/04 6.3%
20:39:10 : 05/05 3.1%
20:39:28 : 06/06 1.6%
20:39:36 : 07/07 0.8%
20:39:54 : 08/08 0.4%
20:41:08 : 09/09 0.2%
20:41:21 : 10/10 0.1%
20:41:25 : Test finished.
----------
Total: 27/36 (0.2%)
320kbps, no idea what this genre is, it's kind of futuristic doof doof with female vocals.
There is a loss of detail in the hard panned low level sounds, with a LOT going on up center, so I guess the psycho compression thought I wouldn't notice. This one was pretty easy, despite not hearing any obvious compression artifact giveaways.
foo_abx 1.3.4 report
foobar2000 v1.1.8
2011/09/30 03:29:53
File A: F:\Music\wave edebn\WAVE - 隻眼のエデン -A.D.2109- Eden , the One-eyed.cue
File B: C:\Users\Alice\Desktop\05 ola grande.mp3
03:29:53 : Test started.
03:31:57 : 00/01 100.0%
03:32:00 : Trial reset.
03:33:53 : 01/01 50.0%
03:34:23 : 02/02 25.0%
03:35:05 : 03/03 12.5%
03:36:22 : 04/04 6.3%
03:38:57 : 05/05 3.1%
03:39:56 : 06/06 1.6%
03:40:35 : 07/07 0.8%
03:45:30 : 08/08 0.4%
03:46:19 : 09/09 0.2%
03:47:09 : 10/10 0.1%
03:47:12 : Test finished.
----------
Total: 10/11 (0.6%)
foobar2000 v1.1.8
2011/09/30 03:29:53
File A: F:\Music\wave edebn\WAVE - 隻眼のエデン -A.D.2109- Eden , the One-eyed.cue
File B: C:\Users\Alice\Desktop\05 ola grande.mp3
03:29:53 : Test started.
03:31:57 : 00/01 100.0%
03:32:00 : Trial reset.
03:33:53 : 01/01 50.0%
03:34:23 : 02/02 25.0%
03:35:05 : 03/03 12.5%
03:36:22 : 04/04 6.3%
03:38:57 : 05/05 3.1%
03:39:56 : 06/06 1.6%
03:40:35 : 07/07 0.8%
03:45:30 : 08/08 0.4%
03:46:19 : 09/09 0.2%
03:47:09 : 10/10 0.1%
03:47:12 : Test finished.
----------
Total: 10/11 (0.6%)
320kbps, more Japanese rock.
The loss of some treble energy in her vocals caused a lack of focus, especially after any high bits.
You can see me screw up big time at the start, when I thought I was imagining obvious compression artifacts. There are none =P.
foo_abx 1.3.4 report
foobar2000 v1.1.8
2011/09/30 09:22:24
File A: D:\Music\sc\01 Kimi no Shiranai Monogatari.flac
File B: C:\Users\Alice\Desktop\01 Kimi no Shiranai Monogatari.mp3
09:22:24 : Test started.
09:22:39 : 01/01 50.0%
09:23:37 : 01/02 75.0%
09:24:32 : 01/03 87.5%
09:24:55 : 01/04 93.8%
09:25:09 : 02/05 81.3%
09:25:26 : 03/06 65.6%
09:25:37 : 04/07 50.0%
09:25:53 : 05/08 36.3%
09:26:05 : 06/09 25.4%
09:26:15 : 07/10 17.2%
09:26:30 : 08/11 11.3%
09:26:46 : 08/12 19.4%
09:26:56 : 09/13 13.3%
09:27:06 : 10/14 9.0%
09:27:20 : 11/15 5.9%
09:27:30 : 12/16 3.8%
09:27:40 : 13/17 2.5%
09:27:52 : 14/18 1.5%
09:28:06 : 15/19 1.0%
09:28:20 : 16/20 0.6%
09:28:44 : 17/21 0.4%
09:29:10 : 18/22 0.2%
09:29:42 : 19/23 0.1%
09:30:08 : 20/24 0.1%
09:30:11 : Test finished.
----------
Total: 20/24 (0.1%)
foobar2000 v1.1.8
2011/09/30 09:22:24
File A: D:\Music\sc\01 Kimi no Shiranai Monogatari.flac
File B: C:\Users\Alice\Desktop\01 Kimi no Shiranai Monogatari.mp3
09:22:24 : Test started.
09:22:39 : 01/01 50.0%
09:23:37 : 01/02 75.0%
09:24:32 : 01/03 87.5%
09:24:55 : 01/04 93.8%
09:25:09 : 02/05 81.3%
09:25:26 : 03/06 65.6%
09:25:37 : 04/07 50.0%
09:25:53 : 05/08 36.3%
09:26:05 : 06/09 25.4%
09:26:15 : 07/10 17.2%
09:26:30 : 08/11 11.3%
09:26:46 : 08/12 19.4%
09:26:56 : 09/13 13.3%
09:27:06 : 10/14 9.0%
09:27:20 : 11/15 5.9%
09:27:30 : 12/16 3.8%
09:27:40 : 13/17 2.5%
09:27:52 : 14/18 1.5%
09:28:06 : 15/19 1.0%
09:28:20 : 16/20 0.6%
09:28:44 : 17/21 0.4%
09:29:10 : 18/22 0.2%
09:29:42 : 19/23 0.1%
09:30:08 : 20/24 0.1%
09:30:11 : Test finished.
----------
Total: 20/24 (0.1%)
320kbps, yep, more j-rock.
This one was extremely difficult because it was on nodding terms with 'well recorded'.
No compression artifact giveaways here, I had to fight to the death by locking onto the vocals. Same thing with the other tracks, it seems that the loss of some treble information gives female vocals less attack and focus.
You can see me struggle at the start because I was trying to use the drums to check for obvious compression artifacts in the cymbals, and as you can see, no luck there =P.
foo_abx 1.3.4 report
foobar2000 v1.1.8
2011/09/30 17:21:32
File A: C:\Users\Alice\Music\Gazelle\Cover of Parallel Filter\Flac and secure\magnet (prkrock edition).flac
File B: C:\Users\Alice\Desktop\05 magnet (prkrock edition).mp3
17:21:32 : Test started.
17:22:03 : 01/01 50.0%
17:23:13 : 02/02 25.0%
17:24:34 : 02/03 50.0%
17:24:51 : 03/04 31.3%
17:26:14 : 03/05 50.0%
17:27:11 : 03/06 65.6%
17:29:08 : 03/07 77.3%
17:29:51 : 04/08 63.7%
17:30:06 : 05/09 50.0%
17:30:22 : 06/10 37.7%
17:31:11 : 07/11 27.4%
17:32:35 : 08/12 19.4%
17:33:34 : 09/13 13.3%
17:33:55 : 10/14 9.0%
17:35:42 : 11/15 5.9%
17:36:08 : 12/16 3.8%
17:36:41 : 13/17 2.5%
17:36:59 : 14/18 1.5%
17:37:24 : 15/19 1.0%
17:37:54 : 15/20 2.1%
17:38:14 : 16/21 1.3%
17:38:51 : 17/22 0.8%
17:39:10 : 17/23 1.7%
17:39:22 : 17/24 3.2%
17:39:41 : 18/25 2.2%
17:40:05 : 19/26 1.4%
17:40:15 : 19/27 2.6%
17:40:50 : 20/28 1.8%
17:41:06 : 21/29 1.2%
17:41:28 : 22/30 0.8%
17:41:54 : 23/31 0.5%
17:42:46 : 24/32 0.4%
17:43:19 : 25/33 0.2%
17:44:29 : 26/34 0.1%
17:45:26 : 26/35 0.3%
17:45:51 : 27/36 0.2%
17:48:23 : 27/37 0.4%
17:48:36 : 28/38 0.3%
17:49:13 : 29/39 0.2%
17:49:22 : 29/40 0.3%
17:49:45 : 30/41 0.2%
17:50:44 : 30/42 0.4%
17:50:55 : 31/43 0.3%
17:51:24 : 32/44 0.2%
17:52:11 : 33/45 0.1%
17:52:51 : 34/46 0.1%
17:53:45 : 35/47 0.1%
17:54:11 : 36/48 0.0%
17:54:17 : Test finished.
----------
Total: 36/48 (0.0%)
foobar2000 v1.1.8
2011/09/30 17:21:32
File A: C:\Users\Alice\Music\Gazelle\Cover of Parallel Filter\Flac and secure\magnet (prkrock edition).flac
File B: C:\Users\Alice\Desktop\05 magnet (prkrock edition).mp3
17:21:32 : Test started.
17:22:03 : 01/01 50.0%
17:23:13 : 02/02 25.0%
17:24:34 : 02/03 50.0%
17:24:51 : 03/04 31.3%
17:26:14 : 03/05 50.0%
17:27:11 : 03/06 65.6%
17:29:08 : 03/07 77.3%
17:29:51 : 04/08 63.7%
17:30:06 : 05/09 50.0%
17:30:22 : 06/10 37.7%
17:31:11 : 07/11 27.4%
17:32:35 : 08/12 19.4%
17:33:34 : 09/13 13.3%
17:33:55 : 10/14 9.0%
17:35:42 : 11/15 5.9%
17:36:08 : 12/16 3.8%
17:36:41 : 13/17 2.5%
17:36:59 : 14/18 1.5%
17:37:24 : 15/19 1.0%
17:37:54 : 15/20 2.1%
17:38:14 : 16/21 1.3%
17:38:51 : 17/22 0.8%
17:39:10 : 17/23 1.7%
17:39:22 : 17/24 3.2%
17:39:41 : 18/25 2.2%
17:40:05 : 19/26 1.4%
17:40:15 : 19/27 2.6%
17:40:50 : 20/28 1.8%
17:41:06 : 21/29 1.2%
17:41:28 : 22/30 0.8%
17:41:54 : 23/31 0.5%
17:42:46 : 24/32 0.4%
17:43:19 : 25/33 0.2%
17:44:29 : 26/34 0.1%
17:45:26 : 26/35 0.3%
17:45:51 : 27/36 0.2%
17:48:23 : 27/37 0.4%
17:48:36 : 28/38 0.3%
17:49:13 : 29/39 0.2%
17:49:22 : 29/40 0.3%
17:49:45 : 30/41 0.2%
17:50:44 : 30/42 0.4%
17:50:55 : 31/43 0.3%
17:51:24 : 32/44 0.2%
17:52:11 : 33/45 0.1%
17:52:51 : 34/46 0.1%
17:53:45 : 35/47 0.1%
17:54:11 : 36/48 0.0%
17:54:17 : Test finished.
----------
Total: 36/48 (0.0%)
Well, I'm all ears for some input and suggestions. I can try a few v0's vs lossless if anyone wants, but I have a feeling it might be worse than 320kbps.
I'm not too sure how to interpret these results, there were no obvious compression artifacts like pre echo or anything like that, so I don't know if they're all killer tracks or not. It seems electronic music might be easier to tell with than rock music. I'm going to try some easy listening music to see if I'm still successful on music that isn't so 'busy'.
Perhaps the guys who claim to hear differences between mp3 and lossless aren't so crazy after all, but I'd like to see some more ABX results from the people who say that they are able to hear the differences.
I'm surprised I could pull it off, hey, maybe one day I'll be able to hear the differences between cables.