lm317 catastrophe
May 30, 2003 at 1:44 PM Thread Starter Post #1 of 26

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My Gilmore power supply was
working happily for a while.
Appropriate voltages appear where they should.

I've
only used it so far to test
transistors using the
test rig in the headwize article.

Then..Pop! The 317 regulator
explodes. Torn asunder....
Pretty impresive actually.

Does this sound like an
overheating problem. Or do I likely
have something miswired or a short?
 
May 30, 2003 at 1:53 PM Post #2 of 26
You use transistor only? Did you configure as a switch and short from supply to ground?
 
May 30, 2003 at 1:59 PM Post #3 of 26
I had the + 16.4 out and power supply ground wired
to the test rig. It's possible that
I shorted these. Would this cause
the problem?
 
May 30, 2003 at 2:15 PM Post #4 of 26
LM317 max input voltage is 40V, did you exceed it? Most likely a no.

Anyway, when there is a different in voltage between input and output. Power losses into heat (depending how much current you're drawing). A short circuit will definately blow it with a pop.

Try another one with no load and set output voltage near input voltage, finger test whether is it very hot (ouch) within a minute. A warm LM 317 means that your LM 317 is working fine and the transistor is the root caused.

Remember to heatsink your LM317, cooled LM 317 will be more stable!!!
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May 30, 2003 at 2:21 PM Post #5 of 26
Thanks for the advice Jason.


The 317 is in the Gilmore dynamic amp power supply
circuit. Input voltage is 33 volts. It's
set up from the adjustment pin to output
24v. I replaced the 317 and (as before) the
chip is outputing 24 volts. The attached heat sink
feels cool to the touch.

This was as before. I think I must
have created a short circuit somewhere...
 
May 30, 2003 at 6:40 PM Post #7 of 26
I'm wondering if the failure of the LM317 could be the result of no regulator protection diodes in this stage of the Gilmore design.

This seems to become more of an issue when the operating voltage is greater than 25volts and output capacitance is greater than 25uf, per the LM317 datasheet:

http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~thayes/15b/lm117.pdf , page 6.

I believe that the discharge of the VR output capacitors at power-off is when potential damage to the VRs is possible without these diodes.

It would be a simple matter to retrofit these diodes and they are very cheap (< 5 cents).
 
May 30, 2003 at 8:59 PM Post #8 of 26
Yes, without the protection diodes, in the absence of the input voltage, some types of the regulators will die as the capacitor discharges through the chip. Even same type chips but from different manufacturers don't have the same protection features - that is one of the reasons that they differentiate in price.
 
May 31, 2003 at 1:04 AM Post #9 of 26
The possible explanation put forth by aos and 10SNE1 is the most common reason a three-terminal regulator, but particularly the 317, gives up the ghost so spectacularly. However, a couple of clues suggest that another mechanism is more likely the culprit here: avalanche failure. I am basing this on two tidbits you reported: 1) that the amp was running when this occurred, apropos of nothing obvious; 2) that the input voltage to the regulator was measured at 33VDC.

The absolute maximum input voltage specified for most manufacturers' 317s is 37v. Believe me, they aren't kidding about it, either! Exceeding the maximum Vce of a bipolar transistor results in what is affectionately, and appropriately, known as avalanche. I'd be happy to explain how the avalanche breakdown process, but let's just leave it for now that it results in the transistor turning on much more rapidly than it would if the base-emitter junction were forward biased in the "proper" way. In fact, there are transistors optimized for avalanche operation - the most common application is the extremely fast pulsing of laser diodes - but the pass transistor in any manufacturer's 317 is assuredly not. What this extremely rapid turn on does is allow current to rise at a rate limited only by whatever stray inductance is in the way. Since good circuit design seeks to minimize stray inductance, the rise time can be very fast, indeed. Perhaps on the order of 5-10nS (that's nanoseconds, folks). Even a relatively small capacitor, especially a tantalum one, can dump a peak current of several thousand, that's right, thousand amps in so short a time. In this case, it is likely that a fast-rise time spike from the line got coupled through the transformer's interwinding capacitance (what Faraday, or electrostatic, shields are there to stop), sailed right through the ample junction capacitance of the slow-***** rectifiers meant for 50/60Hz operation, ignored the filter capacitors because of their high parasitic inductance and resistance, and triggered your poor 317 into avalanche.

Alas, poor 317. I recommend you put a small tantalum capacitor - say 6.8 to 10uF, max - right at the input of the next 317 so that it will present a low enough impedance to slow down fast rise-time spikes.

edited for two grammar mistakes
 
Jun 1, 2003 at 1:21 AM Post #11 of 26
Some do Rick, but as I mentioned, all manufactuers make devices that they call "LM317" and that have common attributes but that are not the same. Some require no external protection, some do. Some are lower noise and better PSRR, some are just surplus bin pieces of crap, yet most have the same label or claim to be compatible replacements.
 
Jun 1, 2003 at 1:27 AM Post #12 of 26
really sucks to order a generic part then have to download the data sheet once it arrives to figure out how to use the part

i go through that crap with mosfets , you never know who made the damn thing until it arrives
 
Jun 1, 2003 at 2:19 AM Post #14 of 26
I just bought the one manufacture by Fairchild. Is it better?
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It is the most expensive one compare to others.
 

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