Little Dot MK III impressions
Jul 28, 2007 at 3:09 AM Thread Starter Post #1 of 16

Negatron

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Day one, out of the box

I checked the amp visually and cleaned the tube pins with isopropyl alcohol and applied a very small amount of Caig Pro Gold contact conditioner to them and plugged it in and flipped the switch.

The amp gave no surprises, it was constrained, everything rather damped. The bottom registers though low were flabby as to be expected from a new amp and complex passages were shrill. Quite honestly I don’t bother with extended listening with a new amp. I consider it a waste of time other than getting a glimpse of it's early nature.

After about 20 minutes I plugged in a set of 30 ohm $1 Walkman type phones and let it endlessly repeat ZZ Top’s ‘Eliminator’ from the CD player. The technical choice of CD was based on the fact that it was at the top of a pile on a shelf by my worktable. We technical types are precise in method.
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Little did I know a surprise was in store for me. Vacuum tube audio has been a serious hobby for me for a very long time. I have rebuilt vintage gear, modified much and designed and built many pieces. I am very aware of how much the character and sound of a circuit will change as the caps break in and to a lesser degree the rest of the passive circuit. Tubes change a great bit as well but are rather predictable.

Last night I plugged the amp into an Fubar USB DAC and pluged in my old trusty set of K240 monitors. Those phones may not be the first choice of HeadFiers world wide but they have probably logged more hours in mixing booths over the last 30 years than any other phone. I very much like them for evaluation.

As I was working on the computer and casually listening to Ambient Space music on Soma FM, I began in a very short time span to hear a dramatic change.

Now this is at about 10 hours of running. The congestion that was fairly evident in the beginning had fallen back. The dampened, actually rather sterile quality had changed, it was still evident but more subdued. Keep in mind that what I am starting to hear was not there a short time before. It really got my attention as I started listening in to the music and separating the individual sounds as they happened at the same time.

Over the course of another 30 minutes the music started to expand, the soundstage widened the height increased and that “bloom” that those of us who love tubes started to be born. I attribute this to the power supply caps becoming formed to the voltage and current that they would be opperating at. The demands of an amp running class A remain constant other than the demands of the AC signal and this make sense to me. I know the cathode bypass caps will take much longer as will the output electrolytics. Film caps break in more subtly.

As hour eleven in the amps life went on, the amp gained musicality, a subjective term to be sure. What it means varies with different people, but the essence is the same. The amp was becoming 3 dimentional in presentation. Transients became defined, attack and the decay following became an involved process. I had started taking brief notes as I worked.

I then plugged in my bench CD player, a Heart 5000, essentualy a tubed Marantz 5000 and I finally sat back and closed my eyes and just listened. And as I listened I realized I was witness to something very transitory in an amps life, be it great amp or just a good amp. It is like the amp had discovered music and was finding out how to play with it . Yeh, I know that is fantasy, yet this little guy had come to impress me.

There is a synergy in the Little Dot MK III that is being born in this unit. I’ve listened to too many amps over the years to not know whether one will turn out good or mediocre. There are still edges to the highs, the bass has not tightened fully, the mids are rich but complexities get confused but it is only a day old. I can forgive it's youth.

I have become to think that my money was not only well spent on something I can enjoy but something I can yet discover new things from. That was one of the more rewarding 2 hours I have spent in electronics.
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I will post an update as this breakin progresses if I can get off my A** to do it.
 
Jul 28, 2007 at 9:30 AM Post #3 of 16
This amp is a gem alright!!! mine has clocked about 3 weeks with 3-5 hour sessions daily. I was in the "hmm, did I get another brick" stage when first fired up. Sound was very congested, no warmth, nothing spectacular in the top end. So I let go on its burn in (David said it will change dramatically after a few weeks). That man is SPOT ON!!! Have critically listen to most of my CDs and this amp just brought a whole new dimension to each and every one of them. Slip in a Trance CD (always a good source for spacial testing) and that MK3 soundstage is just huge!!!
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Accoustic instruments are have a tell tale tube warmth thats was so sorely lacking at first. But vocals are this tubes strength IMO. The clarity and extension of one "miss Hayley Westenra" just blew me away in combo with this amp and modified HD580 There some notes that only animals can hear and the Mk3 gave it a good go to get there!!! Will be interesting to see where this amp ranks in time
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Thinking of trying other tubes but now seem less likely as the stock tubes are soooo good after a good burn.
 
Jul 28, 2007 at 3:07 PM Post #5 of 16
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the soundstage widened the height increased and that “bloom” that those of us who love tubes started to be born.


Well written. It is hard to put into words how tubes sound.
 
Jul 28, 2007 at 4:12 PM Post #6 of 16
This amp was the first thing that really caught my eye one this forum when I first started to look around. I think I am going to finally sell some more stuff on ebay and get my paypal up to buy this baby.
 
Jul 28, 2007 at 6:16 PM Post #8 of 16
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I sure wish this amp had synergy with Grados
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Start tube rolling!
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Jul 29, 2007 at 5:22 AM Post #9 of 16
Well the amp has been running straight through since Thursday and it has Tightened up a great deal. I've been jumping between .PLS streams, HardDrive FLACS, and the CD player. The break-in is by no means complete but the amp is very controlled.

It has developed a control I don't usually see in one with this circuit topology without power supply regulation. Earlier this evening I decided to kick in a short update here when I was readily able to hear the 2604 op amp in the Fubar DAC.

Any of you who have swapped out op amps in a fairly neutral circuit know what I'm talking about. A OPA2604 sounds like nothing else, it's unmistakable. I popped a 2132 into the Fubar and yep, a 2132 is what I heard, or heard less of.

The MKIII still has rough edges, congestion in massed passages but with all that is has become musical and controlled. I am guessing that this amp will never make a band aid for problems elsewhere but there is no mistake it is tube. This has been and is fun.
 
Jul 29, 2007 at 7:56 PM Post #10 of 16
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Well the amp has been running straight through since Thursday and it has Tightened up a great deal. I've been jumping between .PLS streams, HardDrive FLACS, and the CD player. The break-in is by no means complete but the amp is very controlled.

It has developed a control I don't usually see in one with this circuit topology without power supply regulation. Earlier this evening I decided to kick in a short update here when I was readily able to hear the 2604 op amp in the Fubar DAC.

Any of you who have swapped out op amps in a fairly neutral circuit know what I'm talking about. A OPA2604 sounds like nothing else, it's unmistakable. I popped a 2132 into the Fubar and yep, a 2132 is what I heard, or heard less of.

The MKIII still has rough edges, congestion in massed passages but with all that is has become musical and controlled. I am guessing that this amp will never make a band aid for problems elsewhere but there is no mistake it is tube. This has been and is fun.




Indeed, if transparency and details are what you are looking for, then I'd suggest solid-state over tubes. But if musicality, warmth, and power are your main concerns, then tubes would be more favourable. Glad you are able to capture the essence of the MKIII and that you are enjoying it.
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Jul 30, 2007 at 1:51 AM Post #11 of 16
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Indeed, if transparency and details are what you are looking for, then I'd suggest solid-state over tubes. But if musicality, warmth, and power are your main concerns, then tubes would be more favourable. Glad you are able to capture the essence of the MKIII and that you are enjoying it.
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I'm old and feeble but I can still recall a pair of Quicksilvers driving a pair of Maggies, or a D-110 wired to a pair of DQ-10's. That's old stuff and transparancy and detail will encircle you. Michael Elliot's designs when he was Counterpoint, nice Hybrid stuff very detailed and highly transparent., preamps and amps both. Conrad Johnson?? Michael Manley? But brute power, Bongiorno's stuff comes to mind, some of the finer solid state amps built. Mac builds a 1000 watter SS. Most well designed tube headphone amps would make fine drivers for 300B SET amps, the holy grail of transparency.

It's just hard to generalize about amps. There are a bunch of guys out there who are building tube amps that have all their experience in SS and are kind of fumbling around. There are also guys doing SS amps who never quite get past the measurements and the theory. They can both make money. but so what.
There are no absolutes.
 
May 31, 2010 at 5:36 PM Post #13 of 16
I received my Little Dot Mk III 3 days ago. For the first 2 days I used wav music on my Mac plugged into the LD with the supplied interconnect with mini plug on one end and two gold plated RCAs on the other ends... not an audiophile interconnect by any means. My cans were fully broken in AKG 702s with extended 10' plug-in cable supplied by Moon Audio. Straight out of the box, the sound was musical and with definite tube warmth without being overly tubey. There was some edginess in the upper end and some bloom on the low end... to be expected in the opening hours of breaking in and tubes settling in. But, still it was musical... I could tell there was something special about this little amp... I mean Little Dot.
 
After letting it burn in for about 24 hours, playing continuosly for 12 hours each day, the soundstage really began to open up. The bottom end became more defined, and the highs more extended, with a great deal of the bloom and edginess gone. The music was really making music! I have wav music on my Mac in a lot of varieties.... from the Weavers Reunion at Carnegie Hall to Shostakovich: Odna... from James Taylor's One Man Band to Nicholas McGegan"s Handel: Water Music... all sounded so good!
 
Today, I moved the Little Dot into my system rack, and plugged my Oppo BDP-83SE CD Player into it. After another 5 hours of breaking in, and with the Oppo providing the source, it really opened up. I have noticed that the background is dead silent... black. Most unusual not te hear some tube noise, but I'm not hearing any, and the high's are there.
 
Both male and female voices are life-like with all the "slobber" factor... I can hear down into their throats... the nuances. Also, with the pianos... I can hear all the harmonics of the close miking on a grand piano. If you have the very first recording made by Danny Wright... Black and White... it was recorded on tape and then put on CD. One of the best recordings of a solo Steinway I've heard. I use it to tweek my system and setup my speakers. I could really hear the harmonics of the hammers striking the strings... very good for an amp with just about 30 hours of break-in.
 
If you can find a better buy in a headphone amp for $199... OK, throw in $40 for shipping also... so, make that $239... I want to hear about it. And, I haven't even had the fun of tube rolling yet! I won't start tube rolling for quite awhile, as it sounds too good as it is. But, also, I am going to AB between two headphones. I just purchased Sennheiser HD 650s. I've got them hooked up breaking in as I write this. No, I won't comment on them yet... not fair. I also have a Cardas cable coming for the 650.
 
But, I will tell you this... it will really take something to beat the combination of the Little Dot Mk III and the AKG 702s... that is a great pair already. I think I will have Moon Audio to directly wire both sides of the 702 with Black Dragon cable... then let me see... I mean hear. But, let's eee what the 650 will do when it gets a couple hundred hours on it... I'm open minded and open eared.
 
If any of you have gone to the Black Dragon wired to both sides of the AKG 702, please let me know how you like it... how it improved the soundstage.
 
Jun 29, 2011 at 6:50 PM Post #15 of 16
I think it does good for the asking price... But nothing extraordinary (without Mullard tubes at least) .. 
 

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