[maxh22]

Ill look at it again.. I looked all over their forums and saw no reference to this and the V20 native playback problem. I hope your right. What does it do with the Tidal streams? Now what it will do with my 48Khz and higher sample rate content presuming it works at 44.1?

The best solution is to go to android settings and change android sampling rate to "variable rate". This way you could play both Redbook and Hi-res files at their default sampling rate.
I just tested this and it clearly works (sampling rate is on the bottom of the track)

 

[eio]

Try to modify the build.prop setting if you can root your phone.

 

[yfei]

This must have been talked about already, but my question is: will the dac in the V20 make a difference\better sound vs. any other phone, when coupled with *low impedance* iems such as JVC ha-fxt90, Sony mdr-ex650 etc.

It is not about power (powering high impedance headphones). For any headphones, V20 will make a difference. Huge lead against normal phones like iPhones, Samsung phones (S6, S7, S8 ...)
Better the headphone, the more you will appreciate ESS 90x8 based phones.

 

[jt25741]

The best solution is to go to android settings and change android sampling rate to "variable rate". This way you could play both Redbook and Hi-res files at their default sampling rate.
I just tested this and it clearly works (sampling rate is on the bottom of the track)

It clearly shows what the sample rate the app hands off to android. It does seem to work pretty well most of the time. The best part is the Tidal playback. It does seem to playback tidal at native rates of 44.1. So it plays Tidal better than Tidal does.

Very happy with the progress I have made with the V20 playback thanks to your help on this forum. Thanks for suggesting I take (another) look at USB Audio Player Pro. Worth the price to purchase for sure.

Back to listening

 

[jt25741]

and it's ugly and outdated. lol.

Yes ugly and outdated. Plus UPNP is mostly broken with it.....and it cannot browse network SMB shares as UAPP can. I am a new UAPP fan!

 

[theaudiologist]

whi

The best solution is to go to android settings and change android sampling rate to "variable rate". This way you could play both Redbook and Hi-res files at their default sampling rate.
I just tested this and it clearly works (sampling rate is on the bottom of the track)

which android settings?

 

[maxh22]

It clearly shows what the sample rate the app hands off to android. It does seem to work pretty well most of the time. The best part is the Tidal playback. It does seem to playback tidal at native rates of 44.1. So it plays Tidal better than Tidal does.

Very happy with the progress I have made with the V20 playback thanks to your help on this forum. Thanks for suggesting I take (another) look at USB Audio Player Pro. Worth the price to purchase for sure.

Back to listening

Glad it worked for you

whi

which android settings?

 

[ljnew]

You could use UAPP and stream Tidal bitperfectly, the sound is much better when bitperfect as you mentioned.

On the other hand, a user mentioned somewhere that Android O will not have the crude android upsampling implemented so you could use UAPP in the meantime and when Android O drops in about half a year you could play files natively.

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[ljnew]

Glad it worked for you

I don't like Jay Z but noticed his songs stream at 24 bit 1532kbps see pic:

 

[maxh22]

I don't like Jay Z but noticed his songs stream at 24 bit 1532kbps see pic:

It could be that you streamed one of his MQA albums. Hmmm.

 

[ljnew]

ViPER4Android

It could be that you streamed one of his MQA albums. Hmmm.

Dont know, but i wish all albums had this quality.

 

[ljnew]

It could be that you streamed one of his MQA albums. Hmmm.

I only see his albums with that quality, no others.

 

[ljnew]

It could be that you streamed one of his MQA albums. Hmmm.

Although i dont listen to him, makes we want to listen just for the quality and details.

 

[jt25741]

Although i dont listen to him, makes we want to listen just for the quality and details.

Yes that is exactly it maxh22....they are MQA Masters. I collect many of them in my playlists and favorites. of course on the PC/Windows client they unfold/decode and play in all their glory (I am a big fan). For any other client, of course MQA is backwards compatible with PCM decode. It is not a true 24bit depth effectively for dynamic range... Nor is it full 16 bits of resolution either...... I forget the excruciatingly complex details of MQA,but some resolution is lost. However, since these recordings were expertly remastered, more is gained. If I play back any of my playlist that are Masters designated (from the PC client) they show up as 24 bit in the window in the android status you see in the pics.

 

[ljnew]

Yes that is exactly it maxh22....they are MQA Masters. I collect many of them in my playlists and favorites. of course on the PC/Windows client they unfold/decode and play in all their glory (I am a big fan). For any other client, of course MQA is backwards compatible with PCM decode. It is not a true 24bit depth effectively for dynamic range... Nor is it full 16 bits of resolution either...... I forget the excruciatingly complex details of MQA,but some resolution is lost. However, since these recordings were expertly remastered, more is gained. If I play back any of my playlist that are Masters designated (from the PC client) they show up as 24 bit in the window in the android status you see in the pics.

Considering it's android streaming that's sweet!