[Whitigir]

http://www.esstech.com/files/7914/4095/2159/SABRE9602C_PB_v0.6_141212.pdf

Not the "Q"...it's the "C" FYI and  49mW into 32ohm is not a general number it is an exact stated #.
The output impedance of the device is what? That's a pretty important #.

I stick with my comment. You will see this sexy phone and after a couple months most posted pics will be stacked. That ain't a bad thing. Plenty of thin supplemental power supplies available

RMS, Watt, Impedance are only general speaking. Linearity and continuity are the factors of pumped out dynamic.

http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/R/RMS.html

A speaker has peaks, and continuity. using the measurement of 49mW into a 32 ohms is only general number, what about continuity ? Simple put, a dynamic speaker...or speakers periods. They flex back and forth, the speed of their flexing, sensitivity, ohms load are all a part of their physical being. So yes, 49mW into 32 ohms is a general peak number.

Example, 2 drums of the same sizes and different housing material will sound differently. That is because their physically different even if they weight the same. The same as speakers. Planar magnetic is 30 ohms or so, but hell....they are hard to drive and need a good amp, and this is where pairing and syncing come into plays.

Another example would be a car that can peak to 175mph. But how long can it last, how fast can it get there ?

If the linearity and continuity supplied is not enough, the drivers will not perform as well.

But those are getting too scientific, and technical.

I repeat, adaptive pump and can drive maximum of 2Vrms into 600 ohms load....that mean 32 ohms is nothing. Hell even 300-400 ohm.

I will just stop here into sound science. All I have known so far is that this DAC OPAMP will be enough to drive most of hard to drive Hp....even Hd800 if needed be. Sound quality ? Subjectively. I need to hear it first.

Hey, if it hold you back, then don't buy. I am going to buy it ASAP

 

[jamor]

I was so excited when I saw this coming to Verizon. This phone is absolutely brilliant. I think this will be expensive but at least I won't have to go buy a DAP or an AMP/DAC for my phone now.. Anyway I absolutely hate the idea of having to stack my phone.  You can't put it in your pocket anymore. Just seems very silly to me.
 
The 2nd display feature is nice too.  I like checking time/date and other stuff and now I won't have to turn on my entire 5.7" display just to do that. 
 
I have a Note 3 and it feels like a waste upgrading because my phone still works but the Z10 is just perfect.  I can sell my Note 3 but it has a scratch on the screen which is going to take the value down.  Maybe I can still dump it for a decent price.  You can't even notice the scratch when the display is on.

 

[Blinxat]

The chinese have two phones out now with that DAC gen, different amp though.
 
http://www.mi.com/en/minote/hifi/
http://www.meizu.com/en/products/mx4pro/hifi.html
 
LG will be much easier for warranty, support and updates though. That said not too sure about about the squares on the back cover. Also don't care for a second screen at the top. Sounds like something to go wrong. 

 

[goodvibes]

Huh ? There is no other Op amp can perform better than ESS 9602 on the market at the moment (tech-wise, performance wise) newly announced last month in CES 2015. If you had been reading around, ESS is preferable over other Wolfson and Cirrus on the market by now. The new 9602 OP-amp is another icing on the cake that pull ESS miles ahead to others.

all rail to rail units are limited by that V rail. It's certainly not unique.  The limiting factor will be the what Vs are run in the phone. If you go to the PDF, they're recommending a 4.7 ohm resistor at the output. Don't know what value if any is required but something to consider. http://www.esstech.com/files/5314/4095/2160/SABRE9602Q_PB_v0.6_141212.pdf
Charge pumps also tend to sound dry without some added conditioning.

 

[jasonb]

I'm still loving my M9, but ill be interested to hear what people on here think of the V10 once it's out. If it really is that good I'll trade in the M9 for it. 

 

[Hawaiibadboy]

 

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

RMS, Watt, Impedance are only general speaking. Linearity and continuity are the factors of pumped out dynamic.

http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/R/RMS.html

A speaker has peaks, and continuity. using the measurement of 49mW into a 32 ohms is only general number, what about continuity ? Simple put, a dynamic speaker...or speakers periods. They flex back and forth, the speed of their flexing, sensitivity, ohms load are all a part of their physical being. So yes, 49mW into 32 ohms is a general peak number.

Example, 2 drums of the same sizes and different housing material will sound differently. That is because their physically different even if they weight the same. The same as speakers. Planar magnetic is 30 ohms or so, but hell....they are hard to drive and need a good amp, and this is where pairing and syncing come into plays.

Another example would be a car that can peak to 175mph. But how long can it last, how fast can it get there ?

If the linearity and continuity supplied is not enough, the drivers will not perform as well.

But those are getting too scientific, and technical.

I repeat, adaptive pump and can drive maximum of 2Vrms into 600 ohms load....that mean 32 ohms is nothing. Hell even 300-400 ohm.

I will just stop here into sound science. All I have known so far is that this DAC OPAMP will be enough to drive most of hard to drive Hp....even Hd800 if needed be. Sound quality ? Subjectively. I need to hear it first.

Hey, if it hold you back, then don't buy. I am going to buy it ASAP

 

 I appreciate the info. I'm a basshead and a car audio guy though.  This is all my bread and butter stuff.  I 'm also the guy pushing smartphones as a backbone to a portable unit instead of a DAP ...I'm already living that.
 

 

 

 
 
 
I'm questioning the claim until it is heard and proven. You can see how I might buy it..... if the claim is true right? I am already well invested into the game.

 

[Guppy_]

  The chinese have two phones out now with that DAC gen, different amp though.
 
http://www.mi.com/en/minote/hifi/
http://www.meizu.com/en/products/mx4pro/hifi.html
 
LG will be much easier for warranty, support and updates though. That said not too sure about about the squares on the back cover. Also don't care for a second screen at the top. Sounds like something to go wrong. 

Uh no, those use ES9018K2M ·  V10 uses 9018C2M , while same number, completely different chips, as pointed above, self detecting impedance amongst other things I do not know about, not to mention the amp is ESS as well, whilst the meizu and the mi use SoC amp.

 

[maxjstern]

  Uh no, those use ES9018K2M ·  V10 uses 9018C2M , while same number, completely different chips, as pointed above, self detecting impedance amongst other things I do not know about, not to mention the amp is ESS as well, whilst the meizu and the mi use SoC amp.

The Mi and Meizu use both T I(Texas Instruments) OPA 1612 op-amps. They are quite good.
 
http://www.meizu.com/en/products/pro5/summary.html

 

[Whitigir]

The Mi and Meizu use both T I(Texas Instruments) OPA 1612 op-amps. They are quite good.

http://www.meizu.com/en/products/pro5/summary.html

True, but using 2 different components by 2 different brands is leaving an ocean as a gap in the between, so plenty space for Implications/tuning mistakes. While using both ESS, LG don't even need to spend money on R&D, because it comes with ESS R&D and schemes for applications and implications. The gap for mistakes by tuning is minimally. Not to mention that ESS is very well respected in good audio . Also agreed that it may sound dry just like any Op-amps without good tuning

Either way, V10 may be a beast, or a kitty. The best thing is that it started a new direction for future smartphones, and especially Sound quality . I will show support and upgrade my note 4 ASAP. Now, the waiting game .....

 

[maxjstern]

True, but using 2 different components by 2 different brands is leaving an ocean as a gap in the between, so plenty space for Implications/tuning mistakes. While using both ESS, LG don't even need to spend money on R&D, because it comes with ESS R&D and schemes for applications and implications. The gap for mistakes by tuning is minimally. Not to mention that ESS is very well respected in good audio

. Also agreed that it may sound dry just like any Op-amps without good tuning

Either way, V10 may be a beast, or a kitty. The best thing is that it started a new direction for future smartphones, and especially Sound quality

. I will show support and upgrade my note 4 ASAP. Now, the waiting game .....

Of course, just wanted to correct you. I am equally pumped for the V10, but the chances for Germany are not that good...

 

 

[obsidyen]

 
Of course, just wanted to correct you. I am equally pumped for the V10, but the chances for Germany are not that good...

 

 
LG Turkey has released a press release which says that V10 will on sale in November in Turkey. Have you checked LG Germany's website? Maybe there's a press release or something.
 
Edit: I found this link: http://presse.lge.de/2015/10/01/lg-v10-eroeffnet-kreativen-neue-moeglichkeiten/
 
At the end of the page it says: "In Korea wird das LG V10 noch in diesem Monat verfügbar sein. Andere Länder wie die USA, China und wichtige Märkte in Asien, Lateinamerika und dem Mittleren Osten werden folgen. In Europa wird das LG V10 nicht auf den Markt kommen."... which doesn't sound very hopeful for a Germany release. 

 

[goodvibes]

True, but using 2 different components by 2 different brands is leaving an ocean as a gap in the between, so plenty space for Implications/tuning mistakes. While using both ESS, LG don't even need to spend money on R&D, because it comes with ESS R&D and schemes for applications and implications. The gap for mistakes by tuning is minimally. Not to mention that ESS is very well respected in good audio

. Also agreed that it may sound dry just like any Op-amps without good tuning

Either way, V10 may be a beast, or a kitty. The best thing is that it started a new direction for future smartphones, and especially Sound quality

. I will show support and upgrade my note 4 ASAP. Now, the waiting game .....

It's not brain surgery for techs to use whatever chip sets they prefer. Assuming ESS's first amp is the best possible amp is stretching things a bit. There are DAPs out there with proprietary amp stages etc. and are set up for non decimating V controls. They are also contained in much lower background noise and rf generating devices and don't need compromises associated with it. I also don't find Sabre DACs the best but a competitive top of the line selection in a all on a chip solution. I also think you're over emphasizing 'adaptive' in your amplifier description. If that means the charge pump varies voltage with gain in a reactive nature, that's certainly efficient but rail tracking is generally not the best thing for audio. Maybe you know more about it's operation and can explain. 
 
Grain of salt stuff. This could turn out to be great, especially for a phone but it's just speculation for now. Nice to see them going for it. If it beats an Iphone on redbook, it will be a success.

 

 

[maxjstern]

   
LG Turkey has released a press release which says that V10 will on sale in November in Turkey. Have you checked LG Germany's website? Maybe there's a press release or something.
 
Edit: I found this link: http://presse.lge.de/2015/10/01/lg-v10-eroeffnet-kreativen-neue-moeglichkeiten/
 
At the end of the page it says: "In Korea wird das LG V10 noch in diesem Monat verfügbar sein. Andere Länder wie die USA, China und wichtige Märkte in Asien, Lateinamerika und dem Mittleren Osten werden folgen. In Europa wird das LG V10 nicht auf den Markt kommen."... which doesn't sound very hopeful for a Germany release. 

Thank you very much for this information. What a bummer, but hope dies atlast, as we say here. 

 

[Baycode]

A nice video by By Malarie Gokey, but don't expect a sound quality review in it

http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/hands-on-lg-v10/
 

 
 
In the video, from Malarie: "LG has said that they did a drop test from 1m and the V10 didn't crash"

    (explanation starts at 1:55 seconds in the video).

 

[Whitigir]

[/quote]

A nice video by By Malarie Gokey, but don't expect a sound quality review in it
http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/hands-on-lg-v10/

 

In the video, from Malarie: "LG has said that they did a drop test from 1m and the V10 didn't crash" :eek:     (explanation starts at 1:55 seconds in the video).

There are other videos that shows LG V10 being abused and dropped, tossed, etc. the screen is damaged after 8-7 times, and the back cover pop out a lot, but it still works. Look like a solid glass screen will make the phone one of the toughest out there

If they can loan me the unit, I can review the audio performance