Ld2++ -> Hd650

Dec 17, 2007 at 1:29 PM Thread Starter Post #1 of 16

Pangaea

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I have really enjoyed the synergy on my imod -> LD2++ -> HD595 so much that I decided to pull the trigger on a new set of HD650 (with cardas cable). But now my concern is will the LD2++ be able to handle the HD650? I know there are some threads that state only certain amps can power some high end phones.

I would be interested to hear what people think.
 
Dec 17, 2007 at 3:15 PM Post #2 of 16
I have the LDII++ and the HD-650s. I use my Creative Vision as a source with this combination and it is wonderful. I'm not sure if your source is better or the same in SQ, but this simple combination is very satisfying. The LDII++ has NO PROBLEMS driving the HD-650s as loud as you can stand it. You are doing the right thing. My HD-580s do not sound as good as the HD-650s with this combo. Ow, and I'm still using the stock cable on the HD-650s.
Have a good one!!
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Dec 17, 2007 at 5:44 PM Post #3 of 16
There's a healthy difference of opinion re how to get started in moving up the head-fi chain. One school of thought is to settle for a rig that's a bit less than ideal for the sake of your wallet. This could be called the holistic approach, i.e., balance all the parts for the best possible sound within your budget.The other school of thought is to go for the gold in one or more key components, even if it means way less bucks for other components. This could be called the elemental approach.

Both have their merits. The holistic gives you good SQ for the buck. And you can always sell the parts as you move up the chain and replace them.

The elemental also gives you good SQ if you choose wisely. For example, if you go with the HD650 as your personal quality standard and spend far more than you can afford to get it, then you'd have to scrimp on the source and amp. At the most basic (as one of the other posters commented), you could use computer as source and use the line out to the LD2++. And as others have said, the SQ in this setup is very good.

I prefer the elemental approach because it keeps the key part of the rig constant -- the headphones. The 650 is an excellent reference, and it's arguably the industry standard. From this vantage point, you can judge the changing mix of components in your evolving system. You'll hear exactly how a different component will impact your system.

If you can't afford an after-market cable for the 650, go with the stock until you can afford it. After the amp, the next purchase could be a reasonably priced DAC, which would allow you to bypass the computer's sound system (card or built-in) via the USB. (Make sure the DAC allows for USB input.)

Among elementals, there's a difference of opinion re priority. Should you buy the best cans or the best amp that you can afford? I'd say cans, first, but there are good arguments for amps first, too.
 
Dec 17, 2007 at 5:55 PM Post #4 of 16
While I am sure their are better sources than the iMod, going higher on the source in this setup is not really the direction I am going. I like how neutral it is, and how the LD colors the sound. Really my only concern is if the LD2++ will drive the 650 properly. Its sounds like it will, but I would like to hear from others.

Gents, we are way off course here- and that is fine as most threads ignore the OP and still prove useful to others. But if your advice is directed at me, I am not interested in using computer as source (and certainly cannot subscribe to the idea that a computer would improve on the imod). I have a computer as source setup and it is very good to me. This setup is designed to be simple but very nice sounding- to be placed next to a couch, and not be a full blown stereo. Money is not an issue, but I will also say that from this setup (iMod connected with ALO RCA to mini, LD2++ -> HD650)- the only part of this I can really fathom upgrading is the LD2++.

But really all I would like to know is if the LD2 will drive the HD650 properly.
 
Dec 17, 2007 at 6:21 PM Post #5 of 16
I have the original Little Dot II, and I find that it has no problem driving high impedance phones. It actually seems to be more efficient at driving high impedance headphones. At the same volume setting, my HD580 is louder than my SR-60. Perhaps this is due to the higher output impedance of tube amps?
 
Dec 17, 2007 at 9:45 PM Post #8 of 16
Yes, it will be enough to drive the HD650. However, the result might differ with a more powerful set of headphones, which comes to a question of whether you think your HD650 deserves a more powerful amp.
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Dec 18, 2007 at 12:06 AM Post #9 of 16
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which comes to a question of whether you think your HD650 deserves a more powerful amp.
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That is my question.
 
Dec 18, 2007 at 12:14 AM Post #10 of 16
My LD II ++ and HD650s with SAA cable synergize very well and go loud. You can also change the impedence jumpers on this amp to go louder. All in all a very good match in my book.
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Dec 18, 2007 at 12:48 AM Post #11 of 16
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That is my question.


I also have the MKIVse and drive my HD-650s with it daily. Do I like the combination better than the LDII++? YES. With the stock tubes, it sounds much better, is far more powerful and far more dynamic than the LDII++. Better sound stage, 3D properties and detailed nuances are another plus! Do I believe it is worth the money? YES. It is the next logical upgrade step and this is why I made the purchase. Does this downgrade the importance of the LDII++ and HD-650s special sound? NO. No other amp is going to sound the way those two do. This is why I kept mine after upgrading to the MKIVse. Several times a week, I will plug in the old combination and enjoy it. It is a little like having your cake and eating it too.
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Dec 18, 2007 at 5:47 AM Post #12 of 16
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But really all I would like to know is if the LD2 will drive the HD650 properly.


Yes!

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Does this downgrade the importance of the LDII++ and HD-650s special sound? NO. No other amp is going to sound the way those two do. This is why I kept mine after upgrading to the MKIVse. Several times a week, I will plug in the old combination and enjoy it. It is a little like having your cake and eating it too.
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Dec 20, 2007 at 12:47 AM Post #14 of 16
Most of what I would say has been said in Penchum's last post and the good advice from Feifan on upgrade approaches. The combo you ask about is an excellent one. I have quite a few amps and still take time to enjoy the LDII+, Those little amps posses a musicality hard to find in that price range. You will be very happy.
 
Jan 20, 2008 at 7:11 AM Post #15 of 16
I ordered and received 4 Led Zeppelin CDs, 1,2,3 & Houses of the Holy. I ripped them lossless, pushed them on to my Zune80, hooked it up to my LDII++, plugged in my HD-650s and I've been listening to them for a good while tonight. The sound is so unique and pleasing, it still gets too me like it did when I finally got the right tube combinations for the LDII++! I am never getting rid of this little treasure! It's just to good to let go!
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There should be a "Hall of Fame" for units like the LDII++.
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