LCD-2 and LCD-3 Owners - which aftermarket cable do you use?
Feb 24, 2011 at 5:59 AM Post #47 of 2,396

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There is no legitimate demand of "proof" of a subjective opinion either here or on Sound Science forum. One's subjective experience is what it is whatever the reason for it may be, and unless you're going to call them a liar, there's nothing to prove.
 
It's only objective claims that come with the burden of proof.
 
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I asked if there was proof of gogogasgas comment about cables and sonic distortion, which is a claim and not an opinion. I also asked if there was any proof over all, but now know all this is is opinion (at times worded so it appears to be a claim).
 
Sorry for upsetting anyone.
 
Feb 24, 2011 at 6:13 AM Post #48 of 2,396
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This thread is: "LCD-2 Owners: What aftermarket cable do you use?" in case you forgot. As you don't own a pair (according to your profile) please keep out.
 
Feb 24, 2011 at 11:20 AM Post #49 of 2,396

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Quote:
There is no legitimate demand of "proof" of a subjective opinion either here or on Sound Science forum. One's subjective experience is what it is whatever the reason for it may be, and unless you're going to call them a liar, there's nothing to prove.
 
It's only objective claims that come with the burden of proof.
 
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My post was in direct response to PRM's question regarding where the line is drawn between DBT free and DBT demand forums.  As long as we allow for others to express their subjective opinions, then everything is fine.  When we start demanding DBT proof of something, doing so, crosses the line.  
 
 
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Originally Posted by kwkarth /img/forum/go_quote.gif
 
My post was in direct response to PRM's question regarding where the line is drawn between DBT free and DBT demand forums.  As long as we allow for others to express their subjective opinions, then everything is fine.  When we start demanding DBT proof of something, doing so, crosses the line.  
 


Yes, I understand what you were saying. I was just adding to it and commenting that demanding "proof" of one's subjective experience isn't legitimate and shouldn't be tolerated even in Sound Science.
 
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I asked if there was proof of gogogasgas comment about cables and sonic distortion, which is a claim and not an opinion. I also asked if there was any proof over all, but now know all this is is opinion (at times worded so it appears to be a claim).


Actually the term he used was "sonic presentation." A rather ambiguous term. I mean, what's the metric for "sonic presentation"?
 
But yeah, I've seen a number of statements made in this thread which would arguably be better suited to the Sound Science forum if this forum is to be limited to people simply sharing their subjective experiences.
 
That's always been a problem ever since the first "DBT Free Zone" was established on Cable Asylum over at Audio Asylum.
 
I've always argued that if a forum is to be DBT-free, it should also be free of objective claims.
 
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Feb 25, 2011 at 2:00 AM Post #52 of 2,396

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How long is the stock LCD-2 cable? (balanced version).  Thanks.
 
Feb 25, 2011 at 9:38 AM Post #54 of 2,396

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This thread is: "LCD-2 Owners: What aftermarket cable do you use?" in case you forgot. As you don't own a pair (according to your profile) please keep out.



are you serious?  do you only surf the forums on stuff you own? many more ppl would own the lcd2 if there wasnt a 2 month wait. maybe hes waiting... but even if hes not, theres no reason to be so rude.  i know youre a mod and i know youre one of the top guys, but... lets not be rude because of those facts.
 
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are you serious?  do you only surf the forums on stuff you own? many more ppl would own the lcd2 if there wasnt a 2 month wait. maybe hes waiting... but even if hes not, theres no reason to be so rude.  i know youre a mod and i know youre one of the top guys, but... lets not be rude because of those facts.



But the thread is clearly meant for LCD-2 owners who use after market cables to have a discussion about their choices and results. Why should someone who does not own the headphones or the after market cable be allowed to turn it into a 'for/against cable' argument?
 
Feb 25, 2011 at 7:45 PM Post #56 of 2,396

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okay so im not allowed to comment on anything i dont own.  since i dont own the lcd2, my views on how things work arent valid right? i visit this thread to see what people are using in case i ever do buy a LCD2 but im sorry i wont be checking this thread anymore since im not one of the lucky owners.  thanks.
 
Feb 25, 2011 at 8:39 PM Post #57 of 2,396

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You can ask questions, the request was that non LCD-2 owners not threadcrap.
 
Feb 25, 2011 at 9:11 PM Post #58 of 2,396

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all im saying is that ppl dont have to be so rude. the mod title doesnt give you the right to be rude. to be honest, mods should be more understanding and less confrontational.  guess im an idealist.  sorry it derailed the thread, i wont be responding to anything not relating to lcd2 cables now.
 
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I think it's quite rude of people to derail a thread about one topic into an argument because of their fanatical beliefs about something.  If I permit a handful of people to repeatedly do this, it will drive people off the forums. I can't count the number of times people have said "I came into this thread to read about [the topic] only finding people arguing about [something else] instead.". Sorry if it sounds rude to want to keep the discussion on topic and keep nonsense out. If anyone has any issues with this, PM me.
 
Feb 26, 2011 at 7:53 AM Post #60 of 2,396

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Firstly, and this is for you Macedonian Hero, I have...gulp...big breath...changed my mind about silver cables. I have read the opinions (er, thanks Hero), the reviews, and the flowery praise and I am now willing to try silver cables in my system. (despite a previous negative experience with the rewire of a tonearm with silver Cardas cable)
 
I suspect that silver interconnects and silver cable of any variety are not for the faint-hearted. Why? Because they can be very revealing and (I'm REALLY hoping the hype is true) NEUTRAL. And that was the point of my original post. The LCD-2s measure reasonably flat across the audio spectrum. Why would you want to 'colour' the neutral sound of the LCD-2s by choosing a certain cable? - eg 'warm' sounding Cardas copper cables. Personally, and there are many who disagree with this philosophy, I want neutrality...warts 'n all. If a recording is crap, then I want to hear that. If it's glorious, then I want to hear that too. Hence, I am willing to give silver cables a go.
 
 
I posted in the LCD-2 forum that I didn't care for the Silver Dragon cable. It just didn't have the sound I was looking for. 
 

 
I am interested to hear what you didn't like about the Silver Dragons. Too revealing? Too hard? Flat? Uncomfortable? Heavy? Didn't match the curtains (joke)?

Originally Posted by Prog Rock Man /img/forum/go_quote.gif
 
How does a cable distort the sonic presence? Have you any measurements of the different cables discussed here that shows to what extent each causes distortion?
 

 
The best measurement device is a pair of one's ears. They have similar accuracy to the Mark 1 Eyeball. Overtime, however, the Ear device does loose accuracy in the higher frequencies. An example of this can be when a reviewer complains that a set of headphones is "rolled-off in the highs" (hehe).
 
I went with Silver Dragon v3 because the cable is very, very nice to handle.
 

 
Opinion please: How does the SD V3 cable sound with LCD-2s?
 
This thread is: "LCD-2 Owners: What aftermarket cable do you use?" in case you forgot. As you don't own a pair (according to your profile) please keep out.
 


Yikes! That's tough! I have a pair of LCD-2s on order. I want to research headphone cables while I wait and BEFORE I hand over the equivalent of the cost of the cans for a dud cable combination.

Has anyone tried the SAA cables?
 


More detail please on this brand please. A quicky search on ye olde internet yielded zero.
 
Double Helix silver cable anyone? What about these DHC OCC Silver "Complement" Flagship Balanced Cable - HERE.
 
There is a seller on that well known on-line auction site who is offering headphone cables (with Cryo'd wire) at a reasonable price. Anyone know/used those cables?
 

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