[temp]

2 months have passed and...I NOW DO APPRECIATE PURE SOUND with EQ turned OFF!! You guys were just right, and now I just dont wanna turn that damn EQ on.

Thank you again.

 

[Rizumu]

Praise the headpone gods!

 

[AIM9x]

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Originally posted by saiRex I didn't see what was so great about them compared to other headphones and I even stopped using them for a year or two and switched to Sony street style (aah the shame ).

you make me sick,

. Good thing you've stepped away from the dark side and into the light.

you too temp, glad you can truly enjoy the ksc-35s for what they are

 

[MD1032]

My KSC-50's had great bass and a great sound from day one. They never really needed a "burn-in" period. However, they do sound like complete crap without an equalizer. Once you get a nice equalizer setup configured, they can sing and punch your ears out just like any ordinary headphones. Unfortunately, I'm being spoiled right now. The bass on my promedias is a million times better and more powerful than my KSC-50's, so by the time I get them back, they're going to sound like crap.

 

[dd3mon]

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Originally posted by MD1032 My KSC-50's had great bass and a great sound from day one. They never really needed a "burn-in" period. However, they do sound like complete crap without an equalizer. Once you get a nice equalizer setup configured, they can sing and punch your ears out just like any ordinary headphones. Unfortunately, I'm being spoiled right now. The bass on my promedias is a million times better and more powerful than my KSC-50's, so by the time I get them back, they're going to sound like crap.

MD1032 - I hate to break this to you - but the bass on the Promedias is the very definition of bass horribly done. I've heard several different versions (from newest to oldest) of the promedias, and the subs on every single one of them are about the worst I have ever heard (this includes my AIWA mini-system). It's boomy, overwhelming (blocks midrange detail), lacks any sort of definition (think of bass as well defined as the high notes are - this is good bass) and it's extremely one-note-ish (all the bass tones sound alike to a large degree).

I promise someday (sooner if you try for it) - you will get over this phase. We all do.

-dd3mon

 

[MD1032]

I cannot believe you just said that. You obviously have NO idea what you're talking about. I'm sorry, but I really can't give any credit to that comment. Sure, they're not as good as speakers that are thousands of dollars, but to say it lacks any sort of definition? You have no idea what you're talking about and I shun you for making such a comment? Also, the promedias are probably some of the least boomy of the MM systems I've heard. Where is your reference, your source to this information? Have you ever even OWNED a set of promedia 4.1's? Shame shame shame

 

[dd3mon]

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Originally posted by MD1032 I cannot believe you just said that. You obviously have NO idea what you're talking about. I'm sorry, but I really can't give any credit to that comment. Sure, they're not as good as speakers that are thousands of dollars, but to say it lacks any sort of definition? You have no idea what you're talking about and I shun you for making such a comment? Also, the promedias are probably some of the least boomy of the MM systems I've heard. Where is your reference, your source to this information? Have you ever even OWNED a set of promedia 4.1's? Shame shame shame

Sorry man, I do have a pretty good idea of what I'm talking about. I've heard many variations of the promedia's at my friend's places - and I've lived with a set of Promedia 4.1's, in my room, for over a year. Yes, you heard me right.

No, they're not as good as speakers that cost thousands of dollars- thats a kind of a given. Altec-Lansing's high-end sub is far better, but still not great. A decent pair of bookshelf speakers (costing less than the promedia 4.1 setup) could easily reach as deep as the Promedia sub (which cuts off fairly high in the bass range - deep bass and powerful midbass are two entirely different concepts. Try playing some test tones to see your frequency response peak severly in the midbass (80-150hz ish) and fall off sharply at the low end) - but a good bookshelf speaker (paradigm,psb,b&w) would present the bass in an accurate fashion. If you want some computer speakers that will actually perform decently for music, Altec-Lansing 621's and possibly some Monsoon flatpanels are about your only good choice.

My opinions on this subject are based on hearing many, many computer audio systems (I'm a computer science major, you better believe all my friends have ridiculously large computer setups), many, many consumer grade audio systems (stuff you can buy at Best Buy), and a few really good audio systems (not expensive, good). I also happen to own two pairs of headphones easily considered in the top few in the world (HD600,CD3000), and some decent equipment to drive them. I have a pair of KSC-35's as well.

Believe it or not, I was 15 once (not that far off now at 21) - and believe it or not, my views were nearly identical to yours at that point. My taste in music has not changed, but my ear for musical reproduction equipment has changed considerably. I said it before, and I'll say it again: you'll get over this phase, we all do. You can accelerate the process by exploring quality equipment, or enjoy what you've got before you realize the truth (if you don't have much cash to blow, this is a great option)

Audio equipment is like any other in depth hobby or interest of merit - the truth is far different from what an average person would say before having alot of experience and information. As I grow older I'm finding that many, many areas have this kind of depth - I'm developing new respect and appreciation for all sorts of people with different professions and interests. I guess I'm leaving the typical "know-it-all" stage. By the way, what's your frame of reference?

-dd3mon

 

[skagen]

Re: KSC-35
I have a pair myself and I love it. I found that the best way to make sure it fits snug and properly is to make sure that your earlobes are all the way throught the clip. If necessary do this on each side after you've put them on:grab the clip and make sure its well open and then pull your earlobe through. I have small ears and this worked for me. If you do that then they will barely move at all even if you are running. If you run/jog and they bounce up and down, you definitely do not have the clip on snugly enough.

Re: Burn-in
I think its way overrated. Use your headphones and just enjoy. End of story.

Re: Bass Boost
Its all up to the beholder. I have a pair of Ety's and I know that its nice to hear the stuff clearly without any EQ. But using my DR-7 minidisc recorder, I think boosting the bass works fine and doesn't detract from my enjoyment. For some music you DO want some extra oomph. Its no different than when you're in a club - the DJ there is eq-ing thesound too to add bass.

If you wanna listen to classical music and keep it on no eq, that's your business, but not all music is spoiled by changing the eq to your own taste.

Plus, I think its a bit presumptious to tell people that they CANT like bass boost if that's what they enjoy. If you can't be free with to do what you want your own music, where exactly are can you ever free?

 

[erikzen]

Wow! all this out of a thread that died in the second week of June.

Oh yeah, KSC-35s? The best headphone under $50 bucks!...


Period!!!

 

[AIM9x]

the best headphone under 100 dollars

 

[Duncan]

I personally wouldn't even say that the KSC-35 is dark...

...well, ok it is - at the volumes most (sane??

) head-fiers listen at, but at 7/10 on a Discmans volume control (old school) the treble comes out brilliantly, and whilst the bass may be that little bit boomier (or... deeper?) than I personally like, overall the sonic signature of these little 'phones is a good one

I agree with AIM9x... best cans for under $100

 

[MD1032]

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Originally posted by dd3mon Sorry man, I do have a pretty good idea of what I'm talking about. I've heard many variations of the promedia's at my friend's places - and I've lived with a set of Promedia 4.1's, in my room, for over a year. Yes, you heard me right. No, they're not as good as speakers that cost thousands of dollars- thats a kind of a given. Altec-Lansing's high-end sub is far better, but still not great. A decent pair of bookshelf speakers (costing less than the promedia 4.1 setup) could easily reach as deep as the Promedia sub (which cuts off fairly high in the bass range - deep bass and powerful midbass are two entirely different concepts. Try playing some test tones to see your frequency response peak severly in the midbass (80-150hz ish) and fall off sharply at the low end) - but a good bookshelf speaker (paradigm,psb,b&w) would present the bass in an accurate fashion. If you want some computer speakers that will actually perform decently for music, Altec-Lansing 621's and possibly some Monsoon flatpanels are about your only good choice. My opinions on this subject are based on hearing many, many computer audio systems (I'm a computer science major, you better believe all my friends have ridiculously large computer setups), many, many consumer grade audio systems (stuff you can buy at Best Buy), and a few really good audio systems (not expensive, good). I also happen to own two pairs of headphones easily considered in the top few in the world (HD600,CD3000), and some decent equipment to drive them. I have a pair of KSC-35's as well. Believe it or not, I was 15 once (not that far off now at 21) - and believe it or not, my views were nearly identical to yours at that point. My taste in music has not changed, but my ear for musical reproduction equipment has changed considerably. I said it before, and I'll say it again: you'll get over this phase, we all do. You can accelerate the process by exploring quality equipment, or enjoy what you've got before you realize the truth (if you don't have much cash to blow, this is a great option) Audio equipment is like any other in depth hobby or interest of merit - the truth is far different from what an average person would say before having alot of experience and information. As I grow older I'm finding that many, many areas have this kind of depth - I'm developing new respect and appreciation for all sorts of people with different professions and interests. I guess I'm leaving the typical "know-it-all" stage. By the way, what's your frame of reference? -dd3mon

Well, imho, this is by far the most balanced and high-quality system money can buy for a multimedia computer speaker system, without spending double the price for the PM5.1-Ultra's. BTW, the midbass being held back is EASILY fixed by getting some decent 16 or 14 gauge wire, rather than the stock El Cheapo 20 gauge crap. The reason the midbass is held back is because the crossover network in the PM4.1 is different than that of the v2.400, and the crossover between the mid-range drivers and the sub is a helluva lot lower than many other systems I've heard. Therefore, the midbass is held back because the stock crap wire has enough resistence that the full signal can't reach the driver.

I've run a few frequency sweeps, and think that it's pretty well-balanced for an MM system, although there's a dip in the high end of the subwoofer and another dip after that in the low mids that doesn't affect the sound too much to be noticable when playing music.. References include basic knowledge, comparison of promedia's to most of the popular computer speaker systems (I've heard many, and owned a Logitech Z-540 system that was horrible and finally died after 3 months), and all kinds of crap stolen off the Klipsch message boards.

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the best headphone under 100 dollars

I'll second that, they definitely win the bang for the buck award, although I don't think they could compare to a pair of SR-80's, which are also 100 bucks.

 

[thevillain9]

i kinda agree with ddmon about the altec lansing 621. i currently have them in my room as i borrowed them from my roomate since his computer is messed up. i mean they sound really good and subwoofer is kickin. i've never really heard the promedias to their full power. only heard them at best buy, where i couldnt changed the bass settings...and couldnt really turn the volume up. but i mean they sound good, just i find the altec ones even better. only if i could get my hands on the altec 641.

 

[Duncan]

I've been listening to the '35s all day, and the more I listen to them, the more I think that they have very Grado-esque bass...

...I feel slightly ashamed that i've had these for must be about three months, and have only just started listening to them...

...was a certain stigma about using $20 streetstyle(esque) cans compared to $700 reference cans, but hey... I needn't have worried need I

Oh, and thevillian9, welcome to Head-Fi

- The best MM speakers I've heard are the ones I own, CSW Digital, they are great, and although the sub cuts off a bit too high (80hz I think) the sound I get is very satisfactory

 

[Rizumu]

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Originally posted by MD1032 I'll second that, they definitely win the bang for the buck award, although I don't think they could compare to a pair of SR-80's, which are also 100 bucks.

They don't beat out SR60's either, IMO. But for portable use, yeah, best under $100.