About ATE... I recommend You to try 5th gen ATE because their soundstage is bigger and more open sounding than ATR but they have slightly smoother highs and laid-back bass and more distant imaging and better mids. Maybe it isn`t your prefferred signature but recommend to try them out.
Same here, I really don`t like peaks around 6.2-7.2 kHz.
Seems that current ATE (non-S) is 5th gen but not 100% sure though, ATE has had many iterations and I`ve counted at least 5 with this new one.
I got my 5th gen ATE from GB: http://www.gearbest.com/earphones/pp_216373.html
Interesting measurements on ZST, probably not my cup of tea, this graph pretty much confirms the initial impressions of a lot of people so I doubt the mixed opinions are from bad QC but from different personal preferences.
Zero scientific evidence doesn't make something a fact. I'm confident that the study of burn in its not a big grant generator for research funding, so there's probably been minimal effort from the scientific community to prove or disprove burn in. It is difficult IMO to measure the tiny nuances that the human brain can discern when perceiving the outside world and frequency response graphs only tell a small part of the story.
I've listened to a pair of new vivo xe800 that were noticeably different to an older pair. Now after they have been well used like the other pair, I couldn't tell then apart. Am I "not very good at audio" then?
Perception is very subjective so I would suggest not being too dismissive of other's opinions as they are as valid to that individual as your opinions are to you.
I`ve experienced "burn-in effect" same way You did new vs. old pair and not only - I`ve gotten same IEMs at same time, let one play for some time (without listening) and then compared them and found noticeable differences, blindly with A/B switch.
Though, with some IEM`s I have not experienced any burn-in. To me it is very dependent on certain IEM and most of time differences before & after are quite unnoticeable.
Hey, I was reading this thread for a while and just made an account to make a post. I stopped reading about the time that everyone was getting the ED8 and ATE and I'd like to get a recommendation with all the new KZ gear. I want to get 2 IEMs - one for running and one for general use. I already have an Awei A920BL which is apparently considered a basshead IEM and I really enjoy it, but I'd like to get some wired IEMs. What would be better or most similar to the A920BL, the ATE or ZST (or maybe a different KZ model, I haven't been keeping track)? Also for general use are the Xiaomi Piston 3s (youth version in this case) still good?
ATR: Newest on the AT line. Quite inexpensive but most prefer it for a more balanced sound over the ATE/ATES
ATES: ATE with memory wire
Still waiting on my Piston Youth editions. I do have the Piston 3, Piston Basic, and Piston Colorfuls. All are a bit less bassy than the ATR.
In terms of bass: ATR>Piston3>Piston Basic>Piston Colorful.
To be honest though, all are pretty good IEMs, especially for the price($5-$10 lmao, buy a truckload and never worry about breaking them again).
In terms of fit and finish, I like the colorful the best. Nice flat cable, thick rubber strain reliefs, super lightweight. Fit is great.
Soundwise I like the ATR. Bass is a lot punchier and fuller, and the highs aren't as fatiguing on the ears. Cable is a bit springy and tangle prone, and the fit is not as good nor as easy to insert as the Piston lineup.
I think the Piston 3 would be the best compromise between all of the IEMs I have, but sadly they're discontinued and also were a bit more expensive than the ATR and Colorful and Basic.
eh? from what i observed, seems like the reason that people find ate-s bassier is because it's using the same housing as 3rd gen ate which doesn't have vent hole. i haven't tried ate-s myself, so I'm not that sure
ZS3 still tops for me (very closely followed by ATR) in terms of SQ and Fit for my tastes/gears.
My concern with ZST's graininess in treble (plus recessed mids) still persists and the only thing that I somewhat like about them is their tight bass. There is something wrong with my ZST's overall sound presentation that makes me feel an overall muddiness in their output which I am not able to get rid of.