Thanks for the impressions. So, if I understand you correctly the ATE has: - slightly more bass/sub-bass - slightly more space between instruments - slightly more soundstage depth. The ATR: - may have slightly more soundstage width - has a more shallow soundstage depth - slightly less bass/sub-bass - presentation is slightly more in-head If I understand you correctly then either the ATE(v) has more treble than the ATE(ii) that I own or the current ATR has less treble than the original. My 1yr old ATR has more treble than my ATE(ii). I picked up my ATE(ii) back in April 2016 and the ATR the moment they were originally released. I always preferred the ATR because it has more treble, though I have been using my ATE(ii) to fill in while I'm waiting for the new ATRs to arrive. Thanks for the impressions. I think I might order a set of ATE also.