I can't recommend these headphones highly enough. The best I've ever owned. I prefer them, and have taken them over the offerings of Sennheiser, Audeze, Focal, Grado, AT, AKG, ZMF, Beyer, Fostex/Denon, etc., etc. Are they perfect? No. But they are absolutely brilliant. Grizzlybeast did a great job of laying out their pros and cons earlier in this thread. The Vali, along with the Kennerton Odin--and I'm good to go. (Although I still want to hear the new Kennerton Magister Pro as a closed-back option). I hope more people can get to hear (and see and feel) these magnificent headphones.