Stage is bigger especially in width on Maven II and a more detailed. Keep in mind Maven II is broken in and these are fresh out of the box. If there are no changes with burn in Maven II beats them and would choose Maven II over these without any hesitation. $700 vs $1800 though so these still are an excellent value for the money. I also tip rolled etc with Maven II and not with these. The treble is better controlled so far on these than Maven Iis as at times it can approach being a bit much in some tracks. Dx180 is better source than 320 for both. Better bass and more musical and engaging. Dx320 is too reference.
My underlying point is regarding human perception. You know, confirmation bias, placebo, etc. Not even Claud W can escape the frailties and unreliableness of human perception.
You will most definitely NOT find out soon unless you have two identical EBC 80s that sound identical to you upon removing from the packaging. You then burn one set in, and you don't burn the other set in. Every 20 hours or so you have someone who DOES NOT KNOW WHICH IS WHICH (that is what DOUBLE blind means), hand you one set, then the other, and you lisiten and decide if one is better than the other to you. Repeat that every 20 hours until you reach your 100 hours, then go back and find out which was the unburned in set, and which was the burned in set. Then you'll know.
Even after playing these for just over 6 hours non-stop the bass!!! has gotten even better already! It is hitting much harder. Stage has not changed. Will keep them playing for a few days listening here and there and documenting changes I hear on this thread. Those who have direct contact with Penon tell them to allow a no cable option and reduce the price to reflect that. When I contacted them I told them I did not want a cable but they told me I had to get one. That stock cable is so cheap feeling and did stay plugged into my DX320 (which I just sold) but can't use on DX180 maybe because of the case on it but I can use all my other cables without any issues. This set is worth a good cable!
My underlying point is regarding human perception. You will most definitely NOT find out soon unless you have two idential EBC 80s that sound identical to you upon removing from the packaging. You then burn one set in, and you don't burn the other set in. Every 20 hours or so you have someone who DOES NOT KNOW WHICH IS WHICH (that is what DOUBLE blind means), and you lisiten and decide if one is better than the other to you. Repeat that every 20 hours until you reach your 100 hours, then go back and find out which was the unburned in set, and which was the burned in set. Then you'll know.
Then you know how chill Laguna Beach is. Everything is easier than when we lived in LA. Less traffic. Easier parking. People more slowed down and friendly. I am a little up a hill above the Surf and Sand Hotel. See about 250 sunsets a year... I have an annual resident parking pass that is $40/yr. Never feed a meter. Volleyball games at Main Beach. It's all good.
Then you know how chill Laguna Beach is. Everything is easier than when we lived in LA. Less traffic. Easier parking. People more slowed down and friendly. I am a little up a hill above the Surf and Sand Hotel. See about 250 sunsets a year... I have an annual resident parking pass that is $40/yr. Never feed a meter. Volleyball games at Main Beach. It's all good.
You are reminding me of why I miss So Cal. I loved that park right at the beach. I can't remember the name of it. So pretty there. I would not miss LA either. At least I live 1 block from the beach now which would not even be remotely affordable in So Cal. Walk there all the time.
Even after playing these for just over 6 hours non-stop the bass!!! has gotten even better already! It is hitting much harder. Stage has not changed. Will keep them playing for a few days listening here and there and documenting changes I hear on this thread. Those who have direct contact with Penon tell them to allow a no cable option and reduce the price to reflect that. When I contacted them I told them I did not want a cable but they told me I had to get one. That stock cable is so cheap feeling and did stay plugged into my DX320 (which I just sold) but can't use on DX180 maybe because of the case on it but I can use all my other cables without any issues. This set is worth a good cable!
At least 50 hours before you can hear that stage begin to open and go outside the head. It's a real burn in.
And yes, I'll agree on the cable point. I would really appreciate, beyond the stock cable options, the opportunity to pay more and get choices like Apos+ and Renata. Renata is very good with EBC80.
At least 50 hours before you can hear that stage begin to open and go outside the head. It's a real burn in.
And yes, I'll agree on the cable point. I would really appreciate, beyond the stock cable options, the opportunity to pay more and get choices like Apos+ and Renata. Renata is very good with EBC80.
I am looking forward to the stage becoming bigger and much more holographic. I like the tuning and bass and EST treble is controlled!!! I guess good things come to those who wait. I will do non-stop burn in to by Monday the stage should improve. Too bad there was no way to pre-burn these at factory. I have bought a couple other new sets and never noticed much of anything from when out of box to used a lot but they were 64A. These sound great on the DX180 and assume on the DX260 which I will get next week. Do you still have yours?
Have bought a new pair of IEM and a cable. how many hours of burn-in would be needed to hear any meaningful differences?
how long would the process have to last?
does it change by type of transducer or it is the same for all types?
would the time be different on the basis of material or diameter of the cable?
for what I understand it is a term referred to the first set number of hours of use of anything new that would change the what the item in questions sounds / perform..
I am not sure if it has to be a continuous process or over few sessions and at what volume it needs to be done either
I would love someone to do actual measurements during this process with a coupler. If there are changes to sound they should be visible on a graph. Some people do not believe in burn in and see it as a tactic that a manufacturer will use to run out the return policy clock so customer is stuck with something they don't want. I know people who say burn in is BS. If i thoght the EBC80 sounded bad out of the box i would be returning straight away.
I would love someone to do actual measurements during this process with a coupler. If there are changes to sound they should be visible on a graph. Some people do not believe in burn in and see it as a tactic that a manufacturer will use to run out the return policy clock so customer is stuck with something they don't want. I know people who say burn in is BS. If i thoght the EBC80 sounded bad out of the box i would be returning straight away.
I wonder if it may be an intended tactic (either built in in circuitry or out of psychological persuasion) or out of defective components.
Just imagine having a medical equipment or any other complex electronic having uncertain performance, with meaningful changing in performance during its earlier working life. Something like that would require re-resetting of measurements etc.. that would also make any precision device unreliable ... just imagine burn in to be so meaningful to change performance of a plane electronic equipment, or of a self guiding car computer, or of a numeric processor of any industrial precision machinery ... that would be a joke!
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