[bangraman]

Surprising finding... The Sony Clie organiser (NZ90 in my case) is as good as the iPod in audio reproduction. It's better than the new iPods in one way because for bass deficiet phones the Bass Boost does boost without distortion.
Much credit to Sony for including what must be fairly decent DACs in a product that's not aimed at music reproduction as a primary requirement.

 

[scrypt]

Which would be an excellent discovery for me if the Clie PEG-NZ90 didn't cost far more than the iPod ($799!) and were compatible with the G4 (my chosen plat) despite Sony's PC allegiances.

Pity Apple hasn't ever built a decent hand-held. Perhaps the iPod will morph into one, given MacDEF's comments on its potential.

But perhaps your post will be useful for people who already have the Clie: Don't bother buying a dedicated HD portable player. And perhaps we'll all purchase used Clies when the next generation usurps them.

Question: Have you tried the Clie/iPod comparison with different sets of headphones? I have the AT EM7s as well, but using those alone wouldn't lead to an accurate comparison.

[Edit: If this meant you were about to sell your iPod, I'd queue up to buy it if I didn't live in the States.]

BTW: I hope your celebrated incontinence is purely verbal and wouldn't stain my couch if you came to visit.

 

[ProFingerSk8er]

Clie 90 sounds better then a ipod?!!?

holly geez...now i want a clie even more!!

 

[ProFingerSk8er]

i remember seeing a head-fi member with a sony clie nz90 and said it has enough power to drive hi-end headphones...now more than one people had said the samething...it'z serisouly hard not want to save up for a clie

 

[bangraman]

scrypt, if I should ever grace your pad it will be with a pair of secure underpants

I just wanted to confirm a suspicion I had. The iPod is ultimately more convenient for music and you will have to prise the iPod away from me with a tactical nuke, but with the http://www.eruwarestore.com/ driver for compactflash cards the NZ90 makes for a very flexible platform for music, and as a Palm-based device VERY Mac compatible.

 

[utdeep]

the tiny hp1910 has the best sound quality of all the handhelds I've tried (inlcuding some of the clies), and it supports ogg, mp3, divx, vp3, mpg through PocketMVP. It rocks! You have to get a headphone adapter though because it uses a 2.5 jack, but it it unbelievably good! PocketMVP has a really nice EQ as well!

 

[Clutz]

Quote:

Originally posted by scrypt Pity Apple hasn't ever built a decent hand-held. Perhaps the iPod will morph into one, given MacDEF's comments on its potential.

Apple did have a PDA a long time before anyone else - the Newton. I know a few people who still prefer their Newton's over any of the Palm products (well - as of the Palm 7 series) for everything, except form factor.. They're just too big by todays standards..

But they did have one.. and it was good.

 

[scrypt]

Quote:

Originally posted by bangraman The iPod is ultimately more convenient for music and you will have to prise the iPod away from me with a tactical nuke, but with the http://www.eruwarestore.com/ driver for compactflash cards the NZ90 makes for a very flexible platform for music, and as a Palm-based device VERY Mac compatible.

Thanks, Bangraman. I'll consider the NZ-90 whenever it drops sufficiently in price to allow me to snatch one. As for your incontinence protection, I'm relieved to hear about it. A celebrated and less than prolific writer who was forced to move to Berlin after Americans kept asking him why he hadn't written another book stained my friend's couch recently when he came to visit and had too much to guzzle.

Quote:

Originally posted by Clutz Apple did have a PDA a long time before anyone else - the Newton.

Did you really think that any Apple user past the age of twenty-five could possibly be unaware of the Newton? I, who have used Apple computers in recording studios for fifteen years, remember every permutation and irritating glitch.

Newtons were notoriously problematic. Their handwriting recognition was mocked continuously by everyone -- the Simpsons even had a running joke to that effect. It was also a pre-Jobs-reinstatement device and fell prey to every ill-considered decision made by Gil What's-His-Rectum prior to Jobs's return.

 

[Dweebgal]

my clie cant possibly sound as good as my ipod.

it's has no audio out

 

[bangraman]

Quote:

Originally posted by Clutz Apple did have a PDA a long time before anyone else - the Newton. I know a few people who still prefer their Newton's over any of the Palm products (well - as of the Palm 7 series) for everything, except form factor.. They're just too big by todays standards.. But they did have one.. and it was good.

Nearly NIB. Never used for handwriting... Unless I was trying to generate crossword words

 

[NewSc2]

Pity.. on top of the $700 or so for the Clie, a 512MB memory stick is about $250 on eBay (1GB is $500)

 

[bangraman]

That's why I mentioned Eruwarestore. They've developed a driver for the Compactflash slot (originally designed by Sony ONLY for their WiFi card) to work with memory cards. So on the NZ and NX Clies, you have two options for memory: MS or CF. You can even have both at the same time. Their driver's still buggy but they're de-flaking it at quite a quick rate.

 

[Clutz]

Quote:

Originally posted by scrypt Did you really think that any Apple user past the age of twenty-five could possibly be unaware of the Newton? [/B]

Since I am not a member of the psychic friends network, I had no idea that you were an apple user, and that you were over twenty-five. Further, I was not under the impression that the vast majority of Apple users over twenty-five would be aware of the Newton.

I am 25 years old, and a recent convert to Macintosh as my primary platform. I was, however, aware of the Newton from quite some years ago - but I also have a lot of friends my age and older who know nothing about Palm Pilots or Pocket PCs, let alone the Apple Newton, a comparitively unknown PDA compared to todays devices. And I also have a number of friends who have commented to me that they were surprised that Apple never released a PDA whom are not what I would call clueless newbs.

 

[Dweebgal]

i'm 19, a non-apple user, and *i* know what a newton is.

i remember seeing it on something like tomorrows world as a child (i used to love that show.... once a geek always a geek) and thinking that writing on the screen was uber-cool.

except i wouldn;t have used to word uber-cool, what with being a kid an' all

 

[scrypt]

Clutz:

I appreciate your attempt to use your analytical skills (which I'm sure must be prodigious). However:

The wording of my reply did not suggest that you should divine *my* age (hence the irrelevance of psychic friends), nor get literal-minded about the subject of ageism generally. It suggested, rather, that nearly everyone past a certain age was aware of the Newton already. That would hold especially true on a site like this, if you stop to think about it.

As for guessing the identities of Apple users: Anyone who owns an iPod qualifies. But again: The point is the Newton's dated ubiquity.

No point in making semantic stretches involving misreadings of the obvious out of some wounded sense of pride. No point in our derailing this thread with petty skirmishes involving conjectured slights that were never even intended. One can always visit John Cleese's argument booth for that sort of verbal revolving door.

Dweebgal:

There's a difference between an ageist put-down and a cultural reference demographic. Look at it this way: If steam-driven flamingo wallets had become rare by 1989, then I can't presume you'd remember seeing one. All I can presume is not to know whether you had or hadn't.

Actually, your post helps to prove my point, which is that (a) most of us know about the Newton already and (b) Apple has yet to make a decent handheld PDA, which is probably due to Jobs's not having cared (so far).