late 2021 ? We now need to make that revision. I experienced a similar sound from the LCD-4 (late 2021 revision),
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Yes please do, together with Lichtenberg woodworks.late 2021 ? We now need to make that revision
I feel this. I can't listen to old, poorly recorded music anymore either. I grew up on 80s rock and metal, and of course the chain moving forward into the 90s and 2000s, but man the VAST majority of it is just rubbish recordings. It doesn't matter how good the music is, I won't listen to it anymore, I can't, it sounds appalling. I will drum to it because in that context it is fine, but to willingly sit down and listen to the music when it sounds so bad? Just can't do it.The price of resolution I guess. When I moved into TOTL space, I kinda stopped listening to music from when I was a kid, as it sounded terrible. Had to add some harmonics with tubes to smooth it out a bit. A pity this isn't really possible right now with Audeze ribbon.
Hahahaha wow, I'm so embarrassed! What I meant was, the headphones were built recently.late 2021 ? We now need to make that revision
Unforunate reality of high end anything. I know folks that will dread first class airplane, as their private jet is in maitanance and they “only have one”. Sometimes I wish I was kid again, listening to Linkin Park on my portable CD player, with Koss Porta Pro.I feel this. I can't listen to old, poorly recorded music anymore either. I grew up on 80s rock and metal, and of course the chain moving forward into the 90s and 2000s, but man the VAST majority of it is just rubbish recordings. It doesn't matter how good the music is, I won't listen to it anymore, I can't, it sounds appalling. I will drum to it because in that context it is fine, but to willingly sit down and listen to the music when it sounds so bad? Just can't do it.
You can't unhear what well recorded music is. It is a great loss for me, and I wish I could be different, and I have tried going back, but older poor recordings are too quiet and sound horrendous. There will be exceptions of course so I do keep as open a mind as I can, but my music listening time is precious and somewhat rare so I don't like to invest it listening to anything but well recorded music. For example, I love CCR, but I would rather cut myself than listen to those dreadful, dead flat recordings. Same with much of the Deep Purple catalogue as another example. I have found some sort of acceptable Deep Purple recordings, but barely so. What a shame, all that brilliant music captured with such terrible recording gear and techniques.
late 2021 ? We now need to make that revision
I'm working on a review. I get to a point in listening when I can speak easily and confidently about something. It's at that point that I shoot the review.Did you review the TT2? I’m considering buying one…also might go with Holo May or Sprint. I’ve been having the hardest time picking a high end dac.
I've seen one, but without knowing the details of the set-up, I don't think it's sensible for me to comment too much on what I saw beyond it having a dip centred around 4.5 kHz. Listening now to some piano it does sound somewhat reserved at quieter volumes. I like it with the volume turned up a bit louder than usual. This will push the mid-range forward a bit for the usual HRTF reasons.@Currawong have you seen a manufacturer measurement of the LCD-R? If so, is there indeed a depression in this area? Based on graphs I have seen the Susvara (and indeed many Hifiman headphones) tend to measure well (some might even argue slightly hot) in the 2-6khz. range.
I didn't think about it too hard, because it sounded, at least tonally just like I always remembered the LCD-X to sound, but your description seems about right. Just after though I got my original pair back with new drivers and confirmed my memory. It's a word I haven't seen used on the forums for a while, but I'll call them both "lush". Detailed without pushing the detail in your face.His comment was that he pereceived a loss of musical info on the LCD-R similar to what you perceive on the LCD-X if he listened to the LCD-R after listening to the Susvara. The implication is that the LCD-R has a depression in the 2k-6k range relative to the Susvara.
This FR matched up with my prediction pretty much tick for tack. It also explains why my single increase in the 5khz region and a bass-boost was all it needed to match the Susvara in tonal accuracy (to my perception)!
- This headphone goes against the cliche that bright = detailed. These headphones still sound extremely detailed with their stock tuning, which has a sizable dip in the 5khz “detail enhancement” region (where many “detailed” headphones have a peak).
- I do perceive the bass as rolling off, as per my measurements (This may be related to my head and pad sealing, or just my perception of bass.)
Couldn't agree with you more. I am beginning to understand that the exact placement of dips, peaks and resonances in the 2khz - 10khz range and how this is balanced against the upper bass response as well as the inherent speed and timbre of the driver has more of an impact on perceived performance than the smoothed over response curves imply. For example the T+A Solitaire P has a dip centered just a bit lower at about 3khz, but that headphone sounded more "off" in this area to me than the LCD-R. Ultimately there is no substitution for listening.As for your comments on bright =/= detail, I agree completely based off of my experiences. This graph is heavily smoothing over so much of the part of the FR that gives us the perception of "detail". I really wish it would become commonplace to start showing all the FR "noise" in the 2-8 khz region. It might shine a light as to why not all cans with good "FR" actually sound good.
I found this to be the case as well. They can sound amazing without EQ with the volume up high, but it's higher than how I typically listen. I generally keep my listening under 80db.II like it with the volume turned up a bit louder than usual. This will push the mid-range forward a bit for the usual HRTF reasons.
Oh I understand, I had no intention on using the raw graph to assist with EQ settings. I simply wanted to see the magnitude of the noise in the 2-8khz region for the LCD-R compared to the magnitude of the noise in other headphones. Even though there might be slight changes as the headphone moves on the rig, the overall results should be showing enough as a comparison, if my thinking is correct.@chargedcapacitor I can post the raw measurements without smoothing later today, if you like. But I generally don't use those those for EQing, for a couple of reasons. The main one being that EQing high Q peaks and dips (narrower than about 4) doesn't really work in headphones, imo - they tend to cause more problems. A related reason is that treble peaks and dips change quite a bit depending on positioning.
These big flat drivers have higher than average consistency, not unlike the wide sweet spot of a wide dispersion speaker. Treble is quite smooth other than the big dipper. (Not sure why it's showing 1/48, as I set smoothing off in REW)Oh I understand, I had no intention on using the raw graph to assist with EQ settings. I simply wanted to see the magnitude of the noise in the 2-8khz region for the LCD-R compared to the magnitude of the noise in other headphones. Even though there might be slight changes as the headphone moves on the rig, the overall results should be showing enough as a comparison, if my thinking is correct.