iFi audio ZEN DAC - EISA Award Winner 'Best Value DAC 2020-21!
Aug 29, 2023 at 9:16 PM Post #1,156 of 1,162
Does anyone knows if the this original Zen DAC (not the V2) has enough power do drive a Beyer DT990 250 Ohm?

It seemed to be more than adequate for my older Beyer DT-880 Premium 250-ohm cans when I had still had them. Not sure of the exact differences when compared to the DT-990, though. I sold the v1 ZEN long ago, but not because it was bad or wasn't doing the job. I just wasn't using it anymore and thought it should go to someone who would actually use it.

I'd imagine that if you're picking up a ZEN v1 second-hand, there's not much to lose at that price just to check it out. You could always resell it at a minimal loss, if any. And ultimately I think you'll be happy with it with those level of cans.

I would put much more consideration and energy into using corrective EQ to get your Beyers as close as possible to your preferences. Just a few bands of relatively simple PEQ completely transformed my DT-880's, and nearly all of my other over-ears and IEMs as well.
 
Aug 29, 2023 at 9:34 PM Post #1,157 of 1,162
Just a few bands of relatively simple PEQ completely transformed my DT-880's
Most people will say you shouldn't EQ but don't see why not if it fixes specific issues.
I did the toilet paper mod (1 ply) for those 880 Editions, takes 3db off that treble spike so can use with any device
but Peace EQ etc works alright with windows and foobar etc. I try and use exclusive mode and tidal or the DACs settings usually.
 
Aug 30, 2023 at 3:14 AM Post #1,158 of 1,162
Most people will say you shouldn't EQ but don't see why not if it fixes specific issues.
I did the toilet paper mod (1 ply) for those 880 Editions, takes 3db off that treble spike so can use with any device
but Peace EQ etc works alright with windows and foobar etc. I try and use exclusive mode and tidal or the DACs settings usually.

Well, I don't want to come off as being harsh or condescending, but the vast majority of people in this "audiophile" community are clueless, especially regarding this long-held and baseless myth that "EQ is Evil" and should be avoided at all costs! :scream:

Being a musician (saxophonist & drummer/percussionist), I live and work on "both sides." IOW, I'm both a music listener/lover, and a musician/performer who is involved in recording and music production.

Ask ANY recording, mixing, or mastering engineer who is responsible for actually producing the recorded music that we all listen to, and they will tell you that EQ is one of THE Most Powerful Tools in their toolkit, and probably the first thing they reach for. EQ is used more than any other single tool in the mixing and mastering process! Yet "audiophiles" have some mythical belief that using EQ is Taboo and completely detrimental to the music. Nothing could be further from the truth!!!

Sure, like ANY tool, EQ must be used properly, and there are limits to what it can effectively do. But if you actually sat in on a mixing session of the music from one of your favorite artists and saw just how many times different EQs were applied to the individual tracks, or specific elements of each track, as well as the overall mix, you would be in for a major shock, LOL.

For example, the vast majority of the classic and most revered analog mixing consoles such as SSL, Neve, API, Trident, Focusrite, and other industry standard mixing consoles that are used in the most famous recording studios in the world all have a simple but powerful 3-band EQ built-in to each one of its "channel strips" in the console. So, for instance, if it is a 48-channel mixing console, there are 48 x 3 available EQs that can be used! That doesn't mean that ALL of them are used in every instance, but MANY of them will be! They are used to add "punch and impact" to a kick drum, remove top-end harshness from brass instruments, electric guitars, and violins, etc. And there are literally HUNDREDS of different separate outboard rack-mount EQ units available (both analog and digital) that can and are regularly "patched in" to the mixing console's signal chain for all types of specific tasks.

Currently, the majority of music recording and mixing production is shifting more and more to being done completely "in the box", which means completely with just a laptop or desktop computer using professional DAW software such as Pro Tools, Logic Pro, StudioOne, Reaper, Abelton Live, etcetera, combined with separate EQ and multitudes of other processing software "plug-ins". Many of these software plug-in EQs and processors are specifically designed to mimic the old classic analog studio rackmount EQ units and the EQs that were built into the classic analog mixing consoles.

Just do a Google Search for "DAW EQ plugins" and see how many show up in the results, LOL Recording, mixing, and mastering engineers use these EQs EVERY DAY/ALL DAY LONG, and on ALL types and Genres of music.

For example, EQ combined with subtle amplitude level adjustment of each instrument and/or vocal is used to help "place" or position each instrument or vocal in regards to their DEPTH and Layering in the Soundstage. EQ is also used to help remove or reduce issues like Sibilance and "Plosives" from vocals, and a MYRIAD of other specific tasks, such as adding the ideal amount of "impact and punch" to a kick drum, or smoothing out high frequency harshness or grain & grit that was imparted by a particular microphone that was used to record the violins or horns, so that they sound more natural, lifelike and "real" and not overly harsh and fatiguing.

Mixing engineers use EQ "tricks" to help make certain aspects of the music "pop" or stand out dynamically, or to present them as sounding more forward or recessed in the mix. In nature, the high frequecies from a sound source start to diminish and "roll off" sooner than lower frequencies with increased distance.

For example, from a distance you will easily hear the subwoofers and bass coming from a distant car stereo system. But you will only begin to hear the high frequencies in the music as the vehicle gets closer and closer to you and then finally stops at a traffic signal right next to you. Mixing engineers use EQ to a similar effect in order to "roll-off" or reduce the high frequencies from a source to give it a sense of Distance and Depth in the music in relation to the other instruments or vocals. One example of this in practical use is for Background Vocals. They are supposed to be in the BACKGROUND, right? Well, without EQ, ALL of the Instruments and Vocals would be UPFRONT and In Your Face with NO Depth or Layering in the Soundstage!

AND, in a similar fashion, using EQ can actually help to improve the Soundstage, Imaging, and Dynamic Transient performance of your existing headphones, IEMs, and loudspeakers during playback to produce a much more natural, lifelike, and dynamic sound, and to eliminate harshness and ear fatigue, etc.

If used properly, EQ can transform a mediocre or average set of headphones, IEMs, or loudspeakers into ones that allow you to truly enjoy and engage in your music listening experience.

NO, it cannot fix inherent problems or issues in every set of headphones, IEMs, or loudspeakers...things like inherent distortion, phase issues, or large cancellation nulls, etc. But, if nothing else, EQ can most often at least help to mitigate some of these issues.

And YES, the misuse of EQ can also completely trash the SQ and ruin your listening experience as well, LOL. And that is why so many people are still AFRAID to use it, so they simply regurgitate the old myth that "Using EQ is BAD"! But that's all on them. :wink:

/END OF EQ RANT!
 
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Oct 13, 2023 at 8:34 AM Post #1,159 of 1,162
Once again the Zen Dac has won the "Best DAC under 200 Dollars Award from What Hifi"
This will be the 4th time the Zen or an iteration of (V1, V2) has won this award!!

Read all about the awards here...

https://www.whathifi.com/awards/best-dacs-2023

Cheers!!

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Apr 17, 2024 at 8:14 AM Post #1,160 of 1,162
Welcome to the family...

Zen Dac 3!

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https://www.head-fi.org/threads/ifi-audio-zen-dac-3-plug-in-world-out.972484/

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Apr 17, 2024 at 2:32 PM Post #1,161 of 1,162
I'm still running the original zen Dac v1 for my PC as source setup. I don't think there is any point paying more or upgrading to the newer ones for essentially the same thing.

They are cute and work well but for the same money these days I'd choose something with more features like:

- 2-way Bluetooth
- remote
- ESS chip
- more I/O
- (balanced XLR outputs, although this would see a big jump in price to the next larger format of DACs).

The topping dx3 pro+ would be better for example, and more versatile to use in other locations. The Zen DAC is still fine for the PC though and good when I bought it for A$200.
 

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