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Review on Bloom https://bloomaudio.com/blogs/articles/ifi-neo-idsd-review
You can have 2-channel, 4-channel, 8-channel single piece DAC chips and sum the outputs for better signal to noise ratio. No one expected four DAC chips in there...Thanks for your comment/input.
Based on what you said, i got curious and googled for an internal picture of the Neo iDSD. well, here it is. i don't know what i'm looking at, but i can see that there is one XMOS as it's well marked, but i don't see any DACs that has FOUR pieces! i don't know what i'm looking at, but if anyone would care to add please, where are the FOUR Burr Brown DACs please? you'd think it's going to be very close to the XMOS for a short signal path in processing signals, right?
while what you wrote is true, i'm just befuddled as to why one would choose to use a 2003 DAC chip? what is it that i'm missing in my head in trying to understand this please?
i'm asking for educational purposes in my effort to understand this prior to making my purchase. i'm very tempted, as iFi's reputation for excellent products, especially in this DAC area, is well known, but this new revelation of a 2003 chip confuses me and is taking me for a spin!
wouldn't one think that by using a 2019 or 2020 DAC chip, instead of a 17-year DAC chip, you'd think that the combination of a 2019 or 2020 DAC chip PLUS the 16-core XMOS would be superior than a 2003 chip plus the XMOS, right?
furthermore, this is all just talk about sound quality, but then, let's not lose sight of the whole issue of MQA decoding/unfolding! this is rather new and recent! how would we reconcile old chips/technology with this advent of new algorithms of MQA decoding? well, apparently they worked it out
but still, is it ALL worked out with this 2003 chip???
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A 2019/2020 DAC chip and an XMOS receiver would make it just like any other recent DAC currently on the market...
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Awesome question! The DACs that I am aware of do whatever MQA unfold they do in the XMOS chip. However, I am certain that I do not know of all DACs that support MQA.@jsmiller58: just wanted to be sure i understand what you're saying.
are you saying that by having the 16-core XMOS chip, that MQA is properly and well handled and FULLY unfolded via hardware, and not merely partially unfolded, despite the 17-year old DAC chip?
thank you in advance for your clarification.
Put it this way: I currently have in front of me a FiiO M11 Pro (dual AK4497 chips, first released 2016), a Chord Mojo (custom FPGA, released 2015), and a Plenue S (PCM1972A chip, released 2003). To my ears they all sound great - hard to pick a favorite or which is “best” since they each offer a slightly different take on the music. The Plenue S, with its older chip, still gets plenty of play time.@iFi audio:
thanks for your comment.
while what you wrote is true, i'm just befuddled as to why one would choose to use a 2003 DAC chip? what is it that i'm missing in my head in trying to understand this please? i'm asking for educational purposes in my effort to understand this prior to making my purchase. i'm very tempted, as iFi's reputation for excellent products, especially in this DAC area, is well known, but this new revelation of a 2003 chip confuses me and is taking me for a spin!
granted, i fully realize that there is a XMOS 16-Core chip that works hand in hand with the Burr Brown DAC chip from 2003, true. still...wouldn't one think that by using a 2019 or 2020 DAC chip, instead of a 17-year DAC chip, you'd think that the combination of a 2019 or 2020 DAC chip PLUS the 16-core XMOS would be superior than a 2003 chip plus the XMOS, right?
very wise reflection, I will still wait patiently for more reviews, otherwise I will take the risks, (I feel that I will have a happy ending)Put it this way: I currently have in front of me a FiiO M11 Pro (dual AK4497 chips, first released 2016), a Chord Mojo (custom FPGA, released 2015), and a Plenue S (PCM1972A chip, released 2003). To my ears they all sound great - hard to pick a favorite or which is “best” since they each offer a slightly different take on the music. The Plenue S, with its older chip, still gets plenty of play time.
Likewise I heard the micro iDSD Signature a few weeks ago at Shanghai SIAV expo, which has the same chip as the Neo, and it was no slouch! Plenty of detail and resolution.
My advice would be forget about how old the chip is, just have a listen and trust what you hear.
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I've been on the quest to find an amp/dac for my Z1R and have pretty much hit a brick wall as it seems everyone owns the TA-ZH1ES. The price is a lot more than I can spend at the moment and the only recommendations I've had is for more expensive ones. Most of the options like Topping etc seem to be described as being on the clean analytical side and as I owned both the FiiO Q5s with the THX amp module and the xDSD, I found the xDSD with the Burr Brown chip to be more musical and overall enjoyable (before I owned the Z1R). I am wondering if that quality of the Burr Brown chips may make it closer to the experience people describe with the TA-ZH1ES?Reading that makes me feel a little better about spending $699 on the Neo. I did expect the amp section to not have the power to push headphones like the HE1000 V2 or my Arya for that matter but that's fine I'll just hook up my A50s or SP200 and use it as a dac only. I'm looking forward to hearing how my Sony Z1R sounds with it because it being a warm headphone and the Neo being on the warmer side I hope it has the same synergy as with the Hip Dac.