I love Ety ER4's, but is there something better? Asking other poeple who love(d) the ER4(P/S) only, please :)

Dec 27, 2008 at 12:50 PM Thread Starter Post #1 of 77

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Hi all!

The Etymotic ER4P (or S) is definately not to everyone's liking, and is certainly not perfect. People have different tastes - which is why I want to limit this question to people who have extensively used the ER4 and didn't just like it, they loved it.

I love the ER-4P (tried the S, but preferred the P) for a number of reasons, but first and foremost is it's remarkable clarity in the top half of the spectrum - nothing else I've heard sounds so clear and detailed, and can grab me and make for such an immersive experience. In particlar, voices really shine - they have a real snap and sparkle, a little clinical maybe but still more alive than any other IEM/earphone I've tried.

The bottom half is no slouch either - in some tracks/genres it's bang on - but overall I think the bottom half is lacking. For example the bass is tight, but there's not much of it.

What I'm wondering is - for people who love the ER4's, what if any IEM's out there have you tried that match or beat it for it's clarity and immediacy, but with better bass / lower mids thrown in as well? Do such things exist? Or am I stuck with the ER-4Ps for good, despite their old age and expensive tendancy for the plastic sound "pipe" on them to break??

For example, in the full-sized headphone world, I think Grado/Alessandro headphones manage to do this very well - punchy highs AND mids AND lows, eg I love the SR-325i's I listen to at work. I've used both grado/alessandro's and etymotics for about 6 years.

As I write this, I'm listening to a pair of Westone 3's I bought a few weeks ago. They're impressive in many ways, and if I hadn't spent so much time with ER4's I'd probably think they were just fine - but with vocals it sounds like the person is around the corner, or under a blanket, while with the etys it sounds like they're singing right next to me, into my ear. Violins etc too. The way I feel at the moment, I'll probably be letting the Westone's go, and buy another pair of ER-4P's. Possibly with the apuresound cable, although I'm definately wary re; the value of upgrading cables - I've bought expensive cables before and found them way too minor an improvement to be worth the money. With the apuresounds alone costing as much as new pair of ER-4's, I'd want the difference to be very significant!

Thanks! And all the best for the new year!
 
Dec 27, 2008 at 12:57 PM Post #2 of 77
Quick observation: Listening to the Westone 3's make the ER-4P's sound tinny. Listening to the ER-4P's make the Westone 3's sound boomy!

can't win, can I?
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Dec 27, 2008 at 2:01 PM Post #4 of 77
i recently got my hands on the ER4P, before that I was mainly using my UM2's. I tried the Westone 3's. Not that big of a jump from the 2's. Just more detailed. I can safely say that the ER4P is by far one of the best IEM's I've had. Im enjoying every moment of it. My only gripe is that its a little weak on the low end. But nevertheless there are some tracks that just blow me away with the quality and tightness of the bass. One such song is "Hotel California" when the bass guitar just enters.

Overall I think that there is really no one perfect IEM, there will always be trade off's, just a matter of how much we're willing to trade off.
 
Dec 27, 2008 at 3:39 PM Post #6 of 77
I've never heard the ER4P, but if I recall people say that the UE Triple.fi 10 holds its own against the ER4P... It's not near as extremely detailed as the ER4P, but its defiantly the most detailed out of the "top 4" headphones.. (SE530, W3, UETF10, X10)
 
Dec 27, 2008 at 3:55 PM Post #7 of 77
UE10 or UE11?
 
Dec 27, 2008 at 7:23 PM Post #9 of 77
I love my ER4P and with S conversion. I also enjoy my 325i very much but with some bass boost from a portable amp or Aphex 204 the ER4 will deliver a better bass impact than 325i (IMO).

I can easily listen to ER4 with no EQ or bass boost but I agree that they aren't perfect and many people require a bass boost.

EFN's comments and recommendations
 
Dec 27, 2008 at 7:37 PM Post #10 of 77
I still like my ER4P set, but my Westone 3s have caused me to stop listening to them. Running both through my Mustang amp off a 4G iPod Nano and ALO Cryo LOD, there is a soundstage depth from the Westones, along with significant bass extension. I think the Westones are more accurate in the midrange, in the sense that the mids seem more properly presented, less forward than the Etys. The Etys might be a tad more open on the upper end, but I am not so clear about that; maybe a better word is "edgy." Yeah, I know, I need to review the glossary again, and try to use common terminology. Sorry about that. Most of my comparison listening was of Apple Lossless tracks from the Robert Shaw Verdi Requiem on Telarc, Massive Attack's Teardrops [thanks to multiple recommendations here], and the remastered Dire Straits.
 
Dec 27, 2008 at 8:24 PM Post #12 of 77
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Originally Posted by ThePandemonium /img/forum/go_quote.gif
I've never heard the ER4P, but if I recall people say that the UE Triple.fi 10 holds its own against the ER4P... It's not near as extremely detailed as the ER4P, but its defiantly the most detailed out of the "top 4" headphones.. (SE530, W3, UETF10, X10)


Putting the X10 on top and leaving the IE8 out is just begging for some argument.
 
Dec 27, 2008 at 10:58 PM Post #13 of 77
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Originally Posted by GreatDane /img/forum/go_quote.gif
I love my ER4P and with S conversion. I also enjoy my 325i very much but with some bass boost from a portable amp or Aphex 204 the ER4 will deliver a better bass impact than 325i (IMO).

I can easily listen to ER4 with no EQ or bass boost but I agree that they aren't perfect and many people require a bass boost.

EFN's comments and recommendations



To add to GreadDane's point. ER-4 does need some assistance in the bass dept. Just ask long time Ety users (GreatDane, nc8000, PicolloNamek etc) and they will tell you the same.

For myself, I am going into the third year with my Etys, specifically I owned two pairs but now left with only one ER-4S because my first one broke at the stems (yes sloppy Ety plasticwork). But I have not been able to convince myself to move away from Etys - why move when they sound soo good. I am doomed to be stuck with Ety for a very long time because I no longer find joy in listening to other cans, sold off my HD600 and MS-1 and dumped my KSC-75 into the store room. The only cans that I can compare to Etys detail, speed and transparency is the venerable BeyerDynamic DT990 and Audio Technica W5000 - but those a HUGE cans! it's a no-no for portable use.

So how to solve this problem? Have you considered using portable amps? ER-4 will respond significantly to the type of source you feed them. The better the source and amplification the better they will be (specially ER-4S). With amps that has a lot of juice, gone are the nasty sibilance associated with ER4. I am in the process of trying out Head-Direct MiniBox-E+ now (with 6db bass boost) and this baby despite being a battery driven amp, the 18V power does bring the best in my ER-4S. With the right amp they sound as full and as wholesome like they should be. Next I am also beefing up my source and will be using a dedicated portable Optical DAC with 100% lossless file, yet again ER-4 scale up favorably with much wider headstage, effortless dynamics and miniscule level refinement - the ER4 will pick them all up. My portable DAC is driven by 12-16V batteries and fed through the optical link from the iRiver H140 - that's about as close to Hi-Fidelity as anyone can get with a portable setup and it's worth it because the output is nothing short of blissful.

Bottomline, if you like ER4 and want to improve the exprience better, experiment with the source and amplification. Yes it will no longer be as practical with those bulky bricks (I have FOUR bricks to worry about now). But if you want to stay ultra portable, consider getting the old Rio Karma 20GB off eBay - the Karma have very good internal amp with superb bass boost capabilities which worked well with even ER-4S. The older zune 30gb is another good source but it is limited to driving ER-4P only.

Or you can go for DAP + Amp route and go for slim profile amps like the Xin SuperMini-IV.

Enjoy your Etys
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Dec 27, 2008 at 11:42 PM Post #14 of 77
Came from the ER4P/S, too, and have tried several IEMs. For me only the Stax SR-001 and the Phonak Audéos were clear upgrades (both are more balanced, have better bass and especially a better soundstage). While the Triple.Fis were more of a sidegrade with some improvement in the low frequencies and a bit better spatiality, I perceive the Westone 3s as one step forward in bass and two steps back in mids and highs. The Etys, to me, do better in both areas. Bass of the W3 however is much better than of the Etys. Still, using the Etymotic ER4Ps out of a rockboxed iPod G5 with 5 dB boost below 40 Hz (of course with 5 dB precut) is still a great listening experience. Only the soundstage is not on par with the Phonaks and the Stax.
 

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