DavidMahler
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I had to share this with you!!! LOL
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Friskyseal
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i say this with love...
WHERE ARE THE FRICKIN UE-11s?!?!?!??!?!
WHERE ARE THE FRICKIN UE-11s?!?!?!??!?!
DavidMahler
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haha, im having a delay with the order of the 11s
im sorry........but theyre coming
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lol. first. edit: dammit long read.
but isn't it true though? about the balanced. you need balanced all the way through or its not balanced...that's how i've understood it.
but isn't it true though? about the balanced. you need balanced all the way through or its not balanced...that's how i've understood it.
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There are many ways to get it done. The issue is that the engineer has no idea what he is talking about, at all.
| Originally Posted by Ichinichi /img/forum/go_quote.gif lol. first. edit: dammit long read. but isn't it true though? about the balanced. you need balanced all the way through or its not balanced...that's how i've understood it. |
There are many ways to get it done. The issue is that the engineer has no idea what he is talking about, at all.
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It's more likely an experienced engineer (with knowledge to deeply technical documents) knows what s/he is talking about better than the average consumers (who will have limitations on the level of knowledge they can read on).
Regards.
| Originally Posted by MaloS /img/forum/go_quote.gif There are many ways to get it done. The issue is that the engineer has no idea what he is talking about, at all. |
It's more likely an experienced engineer (with knowledge to deeply technical documents) knows what s/he is talking about better than the average consumers (who will have limitations on the level of knowledge they can read on).
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He's a dinosaur, stuck in the 70's forever
RE: "its much easier to control a dynamic transducer with an open back" - I agree and if I recall correctly, that's an infinite baffle, and even the t-rex should know that makes for a lower bass extension and less sound coloration than from a driver in an enclosure (although those enclosure effects can be mnimalized or turned into an advantage in some cases, it is usually a trade off somewhere).
Based on his opinion of electrostatics, I had to wipe out the idea in my head that he was a Magnepan speaker and moving coil LP cartridge kinda guy. Those things will still sound great in today's world, like they did 25 years ago. But it's the bigger issue that drives me nuts - of the people who just never move on, get stuck in a time capsule, and miss out on a lot of new stuff. Even worse, is they don't even try to get the education about what is going on today to talk intelligently about it.
One issue he beat you up on was the "true sound" - he just couldn't explain that what he meant about "has to travel through air" was that it has to "interact with the outer ear."
If the recording is supposed to sound right to people, they have to experience it in all the phase corectness of interacting with the outer ear/pinna. The way I see it, music mixed by a sound engineer using a custom IEM will sound different than the same music mixed using headphones, because the headphones will add in some spacial timing issues reflections that were not available to the IEM user. Music mixed with monitor speakers or headphones is going to please the speaker and headphone listeners better than the IEM people. We complain all the time about losing sound stage with IEM's - and there is a reason.
RE: "its much easier to control a dynamic transducer with an open back" - I agree and if I recall correctly, that's an infinite baffle, and even the t-rex should know that makes for a lower bass extension and less sound coloration than from a driver in an enclosure (although those enclosure effects can be mnimalized or turned into an advantage in some cases, it is usually a trade off somewhere).
Based on his opinion of electrostatics, I had to wipe out the idea in my head that he was a Magnepan speaker and moving coil LP cartridge kinda guy. Those things will still sound great in today's world, like they did 25 years ago. But it's the bigger issue that drives me nuts - of the people who just never move on, get stuck in a time capsule, and miss out on a lot of new stuff. Even worse, is they don't even try to get the education about what is going on today to talk intelligently about it.
One issue he beat you up on was the "true sound" - he just couldn't explain that what he meant about "has to travel through air" was that it has to "interact with the outer ear."
If the recording is supposed to sound right to people, they have to experience it in all the phase corectness of interacting with the outer ear/pinna. The way I see it, music mixed by a sound engineer using a custom IEM will sound different than the same music mixed using headphones, because the headphones will add in some spacial timing issues reflections that were not available to the IEM user. Music mixed with monitor speakers or headphones is going to please the speaker and headphone listeners better than the IEM people. We complain all the time about losing sound stage with IEM's - and there is a reason.
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That just goes to show that some people are reluctant to accept innovation in their respective field, especially older, more experienced people. For example, my dad enjoyed tinkering with computers in the early to mid 1980's and grew out of it soon thereafter but to this day he still thinks he knows everything there is to know about computer hardware.
I suggest you mail him your rig and have him take a listen first hand. Have him do an A/B comparison with his headphones and your rig. If you do end up doing so i would love to read the follow up conversation.
I suggest you mail him your rig and have him take a listen first hand. Have him do an A/B comparison with his headphones and your rig. If you do end up doing so i would love to read the follow up conversation.
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Wow, I left the computer and came back and finished that post and 3-4 people got in before me to say similar things about resistance to innovation.
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That guy makes me wish I could stab people through the internet.
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Well Suprex did make great headphones....
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Great read! Thanks for sharing. The conversation reminded me of some I've had over the years with some of my recording engineer friends.
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Amusing read. I do agree with some of his points, even though he makes some false statements (some of them no doubt due to not having the full picture of your setup).
FYI: You missed to protect his identity in one place.
I agree with him a bit about the hype built up around certain things, and his general skeptisim about hearing improvements. I'd be very interested to hear his Superexes! Did you get to hear them?
FYI: You missed to protect his identity in one place.
I agree with him a bit about the hype built up around certain things, and his general skeptisim about hearing improvements. I'd be very interested to hear his Superexes! Did you get to hear them?
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