I got screwed on my driving test!

Jun 5, 2007 at 3:46 PM Post #32 of 80
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Originally Posted by ericj /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Sometimes, when someone in power is being a jerk, it's worth it to go out of your way to give them a hard time.


Send one kid to hassle the idot. Send another one to get his license somewhere else.... guess who will get their license first.
 
Jun 5, 2007 at 3:48 PM Post #33 of 80
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Originally Posted by Rock&Roll Ninja /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Send one kid to hassle the idot. Send another one to get his license somewhere else.... guess who will get their license first.


Why not do both?
 
Jun 5, 2007 at 3:52 PM Post #34 of 80
Because sometimes it's better to just walk away and get your license through other means (or examiners in this case). And which kid would essentially sacrifice himself to hassle the guy? Keep in mind for the other kid, if he does take the test with this guyt, if that's the examiner's trend, he's going to fail the test as well.
 
Jun 5, 2007 at 3:55 PM Post #35 of 80
What's to sacrifice?

Got nothing to lose but time.

I suppose i don't know all the particulars. Subsequent driver's tests out here don't cost anything extra. It's something like $30 for the first one and you can try again until you get it right. Someone said they had to pay $100 each time.

Around here, the examiners are regular cops. Every cop in town does a week of DMV duty every year. I had a different instructor for every time i took the driving test.
 
Jun 5, 2007 at 3:56 PM Post #36 of 80
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Originally Posted by 65535 /img/forum/go_quote.gif
I take it FallenAngel doesn't posses his license.


About 6 years of experience and a full G license (yes, in Canada we have G1->G2->G), thanks for asking.

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Originally Posted by plainsong /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Ok, how many kids should he be aiming for at one go then?

Have you ever been near an elementary school when it lets out? Did you read the part of the post concerning the speed of surrounding traffic as well as kids darting into the street?

But no let's go the speed LIMIT. I guess we'll be seeing you in a Fark headline soon.


When you put it in terms of how many to aim for, I'm sure you're expecting a very thoughtful answer, so I'll ignore that comment.

Yes, I already said I drive regularly by an elementary school beside my girlfriend's house which is on a small 1-lane in each direction street, with parking on one side and an uncontrolled crossing (no stop sign or light, just a couple of lines on the road saying "Children Crossing") and it's the obvious choice to slow down when approaching it, but being a school zone, the limit is already 40 km/h (25mph). We're talking about a residential area somewhere beside a school.

Actually, when school lets out, it's the mothers in minivans and SUV's that I'm most looking out for, they act like much more of a danger to themselves and others than the kids. As for kids darting into the street, I personally have never seen any kids running headlong into traffic, even right beside the school. I guess they do have some sense, unlike the drivers who pick them up. Sure, kids cross the road away from crosswalks and you have to slow down/stop to let them through, but I usually see that in high-school zones vs elementary.

It's also simply logical that if "surrounding traffic" is slowed, you CAN'T go faster unless you hit the other cars, unless of course, you're the first car holding up the rest behind you.

I'm not trying to argue that it's a good idea to slow down in a school zone, but in a residential zone which happens to be beside a school, I see no reason to drive at half the speed limit. Of course, individual circumstances may greatly vary and it could have been a situation where there really were TONS of kids running around the street, away from the school and as per the OP, beside their own house.

Either way, I don't know why this turned into a debate, I was simply expressing my opinion that residential areas are different from school zones and perhaps driving at half the speed limit was unnecessary, just as the instructor thought.

By the way, thanks plainsong for the FARK headline comment, I've never heard about it before, and I'm sure it'll be a funny read to look over. Too bad you were taking things so personally.
 
Jun 5, 2007 at 4:02 PM Post #37 of 80
Man I'm glad I never had to take a hands on driving test to get my license. I did drivers ed through my highschool and drove around a bit with an instructor and did some simulations, then went to the dmv and took a test on the computer and that was it. Been driving for over 6 years now without any major accidents. Just a couple of fender benders mostly when I just started.
 
Jun 5, 2007 at 4:12 PM Post #38 of 80
Like you said, the person who does this sacrifices his or her time, meaning that he or she will get their license later. Now looking at he OP he's in HS. Most HSers I know or knew wanted their license ASAP, and to them, that extra time does matter. Maybe those few weeks don't to you, but to others, I'm sure they do.

Here's a quotation from the California DMV website, that I think the OP (and anyone who replies should keep in mind:


If you fail your driving test, you must wait two weeks before you can take another driving test. You have three chances to pass your driving test before you have to start your application over. You will have to pay a retest fee to take a second or third driving test.

CA law also stipulates that a driver under 18 must their permit for over 6 months before taking the road test. In my experience alot of people wait until their permit is nearing the expiration date to take the test. So for peers of the OP, there can be some ramifications above just time wasted.

IIRC, there are also some things about school zones extending beyond where explicitly marked, especially during school operating hours and such.
 
Jun 5, 2007 at 4:40 PM Post #39 of 80
Yes, California has an implied speed limit law.

It is, in fact, explicit in the california driver handbook:

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/hdbk/pgs1...htm#speedchild

Quote:

Within 500 feet of a school while children are outside or crossing the street, the speed limit is 25 mph, unless otherwise posted. Also, if the school ground has no fence and children are outside, never drive faster than 25 mph. Always drive more carefully near schools, playgrounds, parks, and residential areas because children may suddenly dart into the street.


 
Jun 5, 2007 at 4:56 PM Post #41 of 80
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Originally Posted by FallenAngel /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Yes, I already said I drive regularly by an elementary school beside my girlfriend's house which is on a small 1-lane in each direction street, with parking on one side and an uncontrolled crossing (no stop sign or light, just a couple of lines on the road saying "Children Crossing") and it's the obvious choice to slow down when approaching it, but being a school zone, the limit is already 40 km/h (25mph). We're talking about a residential area somewhere beside a school.


Actually....this just made me think about our road laws here. The normal residential speed limit here is 35mph. Now usually school zones have a reduced speed limit sign (and I normally see it as a sign with hours of the day which you have to reduce your speed). This doesn't make the need for an 'implied speed limit' law ericj mentions. If you really want to get technical, it could be the entire highway dept's fault for not posting a school zone speed limit.

I guess this just shows what kind of personality people have....is it worth it to fight this? Should you go after everyone? Or should you just say it's not worth it when I can take the test with a better examiner in a couple weeks? I've had enough battles to now just pick them for when it's really needed. If it were me, I'd just not want to see that examiner again and would go retest at another DMV.
 
Jun 5, 2007 at 6:58 PM Post #42 of 80
that's a terrible way to 'fail' the test OP

like fallenangel said, if the car in front of you was also going slow, then what's the problem
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i have my full drivers and motorcycle license, no problems here
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although I did almost bail on the first left I took for the motorcycle road test :\

clutch was sticky
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Jun 5, 2007 at 7:04 PM Post #44 of 80
More than likely that was his 5th or better test that day and he was really jaded. Yeah, it sucks. Thats why it helps to get one in the morning. Schools will typically let you take an excused absence if it is a drivers test. At least mine did.
 
Jun 5, 2007 at 7:23 PM Post #45 of 80
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Originally Posted by colonelkernel8 /img/forum/go_quote.gif
More than likely that was his 5th or better test that day and he was really jaded. Yeah, it sucks. Thats why it helps to get one in the morning. Schools will typically let you take an excused absence if it is a drivers test. At least mine did.


I definitely think that may have contributed to it. That's why I made my appointment for first thing in the morning.
 
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