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Hugo M Scaler by Chord Electronics - The Official Thread

Discussion in 'High-end Audio Forum' started by ChordElectronics, Jul 25, 2018.
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  1. mightyKyn
    You got f’d with the innuos. Watch vid bud.
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  2. ZappaMan
    I recently got a pair of wave stream cables, they offer a very large gain in sq. it seems obvious afterwards that rf ( in all dacs not just chords ) is in a way, robbing us from getting truly intimate with the music. The often talked of veil.
    The ability to empathise with the singer (lol),to try to find the human connection with the subtleties of how a lyric is said/sang, this is that extra last mile that you get whenever the rf is mitigated.
    We have this amazing equipment, but it just needs that little extra push to make it even better, but also to where it should/deserves to be.
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  3. dmance
    I will add that it's RF in all its forms. Once the signal path is optically galvanically isolated and you can still hear SQ changes with upstream digital tweaks ...well you can proffer that it's a violation of physics or admit 'something' is affecting a DAC across free air and a meter distant.
    That something is radiated RF emissions from HMS and your digital chain. I was increduous at first but now I know it's real.

    The chord DACs are so good, so sensitive... and so close to end-game with attention to RF.

    First, optically isolate your signal from HMS/source to DAC. Then put your digital and analog halves each on a battery ( at least one side). This way RF has no conducted path.
    Finally physically move your digital bits away from your DAC.
    I did the tests and it's all real ...less measured RF at the DAC equals better transparency. Optical signal, battery power and 3-5meter separation lowers RF to near ambient zero.
    Last edited: Aug 18, 2019
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  4. Wraith.
    You think I plunked down that much cash without watching his debunk? I also read dozens of reviews and testimonials of people who’s opinion I respect as to the exceptional sound quality of the Zenith.

    Further, the same point he’s making is analogous to expensive cables, where they may constitute 100 in raw materials, but it’s the artistry in their construction that we are paying for.

    That being said, the Zenith is the only component that is fully expendable, if I’m not wow’d by it’s performance, it’s gone.

    Besides, One is only properly “F’d” if they can’t sell it for more than it was acquired for.
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  5. mightyKyn
    i may get
    him to build me a unit
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  6. mightyKyn
    Need some feedback
    for mscaler

    currently have 4Z

    looking at Meze Empyrean and HiFi Man Susvara

    thoughts on best match and clear winner

    should have lcd 24 this week

    keep in mind i can get susvara for 3500
    Last edited: Aug 18, 2019
  7. Whazzzup
    Your best cans are your best cans
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  8. mightyKyn
    thanks for the non answer pal. go back to the monastery.

    zen koan
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  9. Amberlamps
    ADHD Much ?
  10. mightyKyn
    Hey rob... I’m a tech CEO founder and product guy. One story I always tell people is when reporters ask Spielberg why he makes the movies he makes he answers because that’s the movie i’d Like to see.

    in fact the only products companies I have created are out of need. It’s the product I want... listening to you here I can tell your heart is in the right place. You make these products for your own listening enjoyment!

    right on man!
  11. ZappaMan
    Wow, would love to hear more !
  12. dac64
    I added 20 5mm per bnc initially, sounds did improved, more relax and natural.

    It was tightly fit to the bnc


    I then added another 15 to each bnc, still evaluating but sound promising.

    I was to far away from both wave and optical solution, quite hestiaged to try the free return. 15662152029139046366582781863209.jpg
  13. zenlisten
    I've had the M Scaler and TT2 for more than a month now, and they sound astonishing. Even better than what I could hope for.

    Well, except for this one issue: I occasionally hear a subtle crack in the right-hand headphone. Maybe one or a couple of times every minute. It's not unlike the cracks on LP rips but more "electric" sounding. I cringe every time I hear it, especially during crystal clear studio recordings. Tested with different headphones, tested by exchanging the sides, with all kinds of sources, units stacked/unstacked, and it keeps coming. I already bought a FURMAN power conditioner but it didn't fix the issue. (Note that I am using a shielded AudioQuest Cinnamon 1.5m USB cable between the computer and M Scaler.)

    Yesterday I wanted to find out more about this noise, so I started investigating via the following steps:

    1. Going dark. Turned off the wifi router, disconnected all power cables (computer, monitor, everything), expect the ones for HMS & TT2. (This is a room in the basement with very low mobile signal, rather well isolated.) Played music from my phone in Airplane mode, connecting through shielded USB cable. The crack kept coming as if nothing has changed. :frowning2:

    2. Remove M Scaler from the chain. This fixed the crack immediately. The sound was free of noise. The TT2 seems to be beautifully isolated. I could not hear any noise, even after reconnecting the dual BNC from the M Scaler. (At the same time music without the M Scaler sounds very different, I don't want to do it. I can see why Rob takes a HMS on his trips.)

    3. Move USB cable and BNC cables apart. Connected M Scaler back on but made sure that the BNC cables and the USB cable are as far apart from each other as possible. Finally this seemed to reduce the volume and maybe the frequency of the cracks. (This was already later yesterday so I will continue testing later today). A2C7EFC8-1F79-4DF9-BB5A-D654C0E5F25E.jpeg

    Conclusions: either this M Scaler / the BNC stock cables are faulty, or the stock cables are simply not up to the task. Or there is something strange going on in this room, even with other power consumers disconnected. Why isn't anyone else complaining about this?

    My next step is ordering WAVE cables from @Triode User and here's hoping they will remove this annoying noise. If not then it's a warranty issue with the M Scaler & cables. :frowning2:

    FYI @Mojo ideas & @Rob Watts

    P.S. Really looking forward for the new reference Chord DAC (Dave 2?) where the M Scaler is already built in in order to avoid such issues.
    Last edited: Aug 19, 2019
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  14. Triode User
    My chief suspect would be something else in the house / apartment where you live. Have you tried switching off the supply to other circuits elsewhere in addition to the room where you have your music?
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  15. naynay
    My experience with the stock BNC cables was not great slightest touch would lose the signal.
    I would say it's the Stock BNC cables myself.
    Last edited: Aug 19, 2019
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