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Hugo M Scaler by Chord Electronics - The Official Thread

Discussion in 'High-end Audio Forum' started by ChordElectronics, Jul 25, 2018.
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  1. delirium
    Do you have the businessmodel for chord products? Remember its business too....
  2. racebit
    Only Rob can tell, but I can speculate 3 possibilities:
    1. Cost (chip price)
    2. The Spartan7 is not really available. Remember Rob mentioned 3 years from "launched" to available
    3. The Spartan7 is not much more powerful than Spartan6, like most intel cpus recently :)
    Last edited: Mar 28, 2019
  3. Amberlamps

    The 200T is the best Xilinx Arctic chip. From there you need to go upstairs.
  4. Nautrachkfriend
    Aaah yes, I got the chip families out of order. I meant to say that I'm curious what could be done with Virtex/Kintex 7 chips.
  5. Amberlamps
    Hmm, ok ummm.

    1, Cost, it shouldn’t matter if building the best dac, as Chords next dac is going to be atleast £9999. The price of the chip will be absorbed by the high price of the product.

    2, Not sure what you mean when you say it’s “not really available”, ? It’s on there website as being available, but I dunno, when I visit websites with text, I just look at the pictures.

    3, I have no idea how much faster and capable it is as my time is to valuable to be used to read glossy product brochures, but I wouldn’t automatically class it like desktop cpu’s releases. Yes, horizontal upgrades happen, but not all the time, remember i7920/30 etc to i72600K ? Maybe the same from spartan 6 to 7 ?
  6. Amberlamps
    Here’s the family tree, in no particular order.

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  7. racebit
    2. Being on the website does not mean available. Your TT2 is on Chord website since announced 9 months ago, only started shipping late 2018, and it is not available from stock even today.
    3. Even if it provides 15% performance increase (typical for cpus), it may not be considered sufficient by Rob to warrant a new product.
  8. Amberlamps
    Elementary my dear racebait.

    2, https://www.digikey.co.uk/en/product-highlight/x/xilinx/spartan-7-fpga-family “immediate” aka on sale now. Can ship immediately.

    3, Can you tell me exactly how much more powerful it is compared to the spartan 6 ? Spurious figure’s mean nothing.

    It could update dave’s specs, extra taps etc, whilst dave also get’s tt2’s output power. A bug/glitch free dave with more taps and TT2’s output power could sell for say 9500 - 10’000, and it would sell, even if it was just a minor upgrade.

    Say it was 15%, that 15% could be enough to update/refresh dave, but not make a dave 2.

    Dave owners could possibly even send their daves back to chord to refurbish them with the upgraded design/pcb for a few grand, in the process, chord takes the returned dave pcb’s and sticks them into a new dave chassis or a cheaper remodelled chassis and sell them for £5k maybe more, and with a warranty for a year.

    It nets them income from the original dave owner who wants to update his dave, and also nets them income from a new dave owner who is now able to afford and buy a refurbished second hand dave, with a warranty for a year, plus new buyers who are willing to spend 10k on an updated dave. Also those who just want the original dave for £8500

    Thats 4 ways of making money from an upgraded mid life extension dave. 1,Original dave, 2, upgraded dave swap, 3, upgraded dave full purchase and 4, a second hand paupers dave with a bland case.

    The possibilities are endless,
    Last edited: Mar 28, 2019
  9. SCOTTY1
    Enough already ! Do you not have a lawn to mow, a room to paint, a chicken to pluck ? I have a box set of "Songs of Praise" you could borrow.
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  10. Amberlamps
    It could be a viable option.

    Lots of wealthy folk on here who would want an upgraded dave, lots of folk on here who want a dave but can’t afford 8.5k. Rob himself admits dave 2 is for the future, so whats the bad points of a mid life extension ? Schiit do it and it obviously works and makes them money at the same time.

    For the mere fact you mentioned “songs of praise” you are being put on ignore.
  11. SCOTTY1
    Aw, diddums.
  12. Amberlamps

    Owning a boxset of the songs of praise.

    I was going to post facepalm picard, but somehow, thats just not enough!

    Whats next, vhs copies of last of the summer wine ?
    Last edited: Mar 28, 2019
  13. iDesign
    It’s not Chord’s roadmap you need— it’s Xilinx, as well as other industry suppliers, that have all adopted the same annual cycle of releasing products that were designed with planned obsolescence and corporate profits in mind from the outset. It is Chord’s sensibility and careful product planning that allows a business to survive.
    Last edited: Mar 29, 2019
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  14. DJLEC
    Cable newbie here so be kind since the M Scaler Manual does not include the Hugo 2.

    I am running a CD Player with Optical Digital Out to the Hugo 2 at present and I will not be Streaming. I am also using Redbook CD's only at this time.

    Could I use Optical Digital Out from the CD Player to the M Scaler and then Optical from the M Scaler to the Hugo 2.

    Or would it be better if I came out of the CD Digital Out coax RCA Jack with an RCA to BNC Coax Cable into the M Scaler and then a BNC to RCA from the M Scaler to the 3.5 mm Adaptor shown in the Amazon Link above.
    Last edited: Mar 28, 2019
  15. Triode User
    You are best with optical from your CD player to MScaler. That provides the best RF noise break.

    From MSCaler to Hugo2 the only connection that works to get the full 1M taps is dual BNC. You will need a BNC to jack converter. AudioQuest and others sell these for not much money on places such as Amazon. With the AudioQuest one you also need a pair of BNC to RCA converters. I will look for a photo that I might have . . .

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    Last edited: Mar 29, 2019
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